Understanding the Slippery Slope Fallacy

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The discussion centers around the slippery slope fallacy, particularly in the context of political arguments. Participants explore the validity of slippery slope reasoning, its implications in political discourse, and the distinction between making a consequence more likely versus claiming inevitability.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that while slippery slope arguments can be fallacious when they claim inevitability, they can also be valid when suggesting that a change makes another change more likely.
  • Others reference historical examples, such as incrementalism used by political leaders, to illustrate how small changes can lead to larger consequences.
  • A participant cites a Wikipedia article that discusses the need for factual establishment of each step in a slippery slope argument, suggesting that failure to do so constitutes a fallacy.
  • Some express confusion over examples provided in the Wikipedia article, particularly regarding gun ownership, and question the validity of those arguments.
  • There is a distinction made between slippery slope arguments and concepts like "foot in the door," which some argue are not fallacies but rather valid psychological phenomena.
  • One participant suggests that the assumption of a slippery slope being "slippery" is itself fallacious, arguing that each case should be evaluated on its own merits and that subsequent steps may not necessarily be easier.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach a consensus on the nature of slippery slope arguments, with multiple competing views remaining on their validity and application in different contexts.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the discussion lacks clarity on specific definitions and assumptions related to slippery slope arguments, which may affect the evaluation of their validity.

  • #31
I think a lot of slippery slopes aren't seen until another way to get up the hill is found--for example, the Terra-centric view of things to the heliocentric.
 
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  • #32
rewebster said:
I think a lot of slippery slopes aren't seen until another way to get up the hill is found--for example, the Terra-centric view of things to the heliocentric.

I don't think that would be a good slippery slope example, at all.

The heliocentric Copernican model was supposed to be a radical departure (not a small step) right off the bat to get away from a geocentric model was becoming so overly complex in order to force the model and real world observations to synch up that people were beginning to suspect its validity. The problem is that a Copernican model using circular orbits required just as many epicycles and deferents to make it synch with real world observations as the geocentric model did.

The most likely fallacy to be pointed out about the Copernican model at that time was that it wasn't any improvement over the geocentric theory, so how do you choose between them?

At that time, I don't think there's anyone that would have suggested that a heliocentric model would inevitably lead to a model that used elliptical orbits (if they had, it might have defused some horrible arguments between the two circular orbit models). Proposing elliptical orbits was a rather radical proposition in itself. Perhaps one could say a circular heliocentric model at least made a better model possible, since surely people had thought of elliptical orbits before, but just applied them to the wrong model, but I don't see any kind of inevitability, even in retrospect, other than correct models eventually displace incorrect models when better technology to make observations is developed.

Des Cartes' development of Cartesian coordinates and analytic geometry pushing math down the slippery slope to development of calculus would be a better example. Not only is it a natural extension, but the fact that two different people developed calculus independently nearly simultaneously following DesCartes' work is a pretty strong suggestion of the inevitability.
 
  • #33
I was looking more at how the Terra-centric view got more and more complex at explaining what they thought was going on ---starting first from a simple view---and each new idea took another step on the slippery slope.
 

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