Understanding the Variation of Poincaré Invariant Action

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The discussion revolves around understanding the variation of a Poincaré invariant action in the context of classical mechanics and field theory. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of action variations and their implications in deriving equations of motion.

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  • Participants discuss the general form of the action and its variation, with references to specific expressions and integration techniques. Questions arise regarding the definition of variation, the basic formula for action variation, and the distinction between global and local invariance.

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If I have the expression for a Poincaré invariant action, how do I find the variation of the action? Any help/hints much appreciated, thanks ;)
 
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If your action is of the form
[tex] S = \int d\lambda\, L\left(X^\mu, \frac{d X^\mu}{d \lambda} \right),[/tex]
where [tex]\lambda[/tex] is any affine parameter, then the variation looks like
[tex] \delta S = \int d \lambda \,\left( \frac{\partial L}{\partial X^\mu} - \frac{d}{d\lambda}\left(\frac{\partial L}{\partial (dX^\mu/d\lambda)}\right)\right) \delta X^\mu,[/tex]
where in the process I have integrated by parts and dropped the boundary terms.

As usual, you obtain the equations of motion by requring that the variation of the action be zero for arbitrary variations of the path [tex]\delta X^\mu[/tex]. If you are doing your free particle action that we talked about before, you can get the free particle equations of motion by first performing the variation and then setting the affine parameter equal to the proper time.

Consult a text on classical mechanics for further clarification about variational principles and Lagrangians.
 
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General Case
The action functional in ordinary spacetime looks like the one from classical physics:
[tex] \mathcal{S}[\phi] = \int d^4x \, \mathcal{L}[\phi, \partial_\mu \phi; x^\mu] \, \quad \mapsto<br /> \quad S = \int dt \, L(q(t), \dot{q(t)}; t) \, .[/tex]
The most general way to write [tex]\delta \mathcal{S}[/tex] -- without imposing any symmetries -- is to just vary the Lagrangian with respect to the field(s) [tex]\phi[/tex],
its derivative [tex]\partial_\mu \phi[/tex], and the coordinates [tex]x^\mu[/tex]:
[tex] \delta \mathcal{S} = \int \delta \phi \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \phi} <br /> + \delta(\partial_\mu \phi) \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial (\partial_\mu \phi)}<br /> + \delta x^\mu \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial x^\mu} \, .[/tex]
If you are dealing with global Poincare invariance, the variation with respect to the coordinates vanishes. Have you dealt with
[tex] \mathcal{L} = \frac{1}{2} |\partial_\mu \phi|^2 + \frac{1}{2}m^2 \phi^2[/tex] yet?
 
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Thanks a lot guys, really great stuff! =) Physics Monkey, unfortunately I don't have access to a decent library at the mo, and no money to buy books =(

I suppose I didnt really ask the right questions, sorry, but what is a variation? and what does the basic formula for the variation of an action look like, without integration by parts? Is it the second one given by bigplanet? Whats the difference between global and local invariance?

Is there any website that has good notes on this kind of stuff?
 
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