Understanding the Weak Interaction: What Causes It & What is Its Range?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the weak interaction, specifically its causes, the role of W and Z bosons, and the concept of range associated with this force. Participants explore theoretical underpinnings, such as electroweak theory and gauge invariance, while questioning the meaning of the weak interaction's range.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about the fundamental causes of the weak interaction, noting it is mediated by W and Z bosons and has a short range due to their mass.
  • Others reference electroweak theory as a framework that predicts the weak interaction, but acknowledge that the reasons for its validity remain unknown.
  • Gauge invariance is mentioned as a significant concept that contributes to understanding the weak interaction and is considered foundational to the standard model.
  • There is a contention regarding the assignment of a range to the weak interaction, with some questioning its meaningfulness given the lack of understanding of its causes.
  • One participant challenges a claim from a YouTube video about bosons inside neutrinos interacting with quarks, suggesting it may be a misinterpretation or a crank claim.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the causes of the weak interaction or the implications of its range. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the interpretation of electroweak theory and the nature of the weak interaction.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the foundational aspects of electroweak theory and gauge symmetry, as well as the implications of mass on the range of forces in quantum field theory.

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Recently it struck me that I'm not sure I understand the weak interaction at all. What causes it to happen? I know that its mediated by the W and Z bosons and has a short range as a result of the large mass these bosons posses, but what does that range refer to? Range from what?!
 
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Its a predicted by the electroweak theory so your query is - why is the electroweak theory true.

The answer is - we don't know.

That said what is called gauge invariance has shed a lot of light on it, to the point gauge symmetry is considered to lie at the foundation of all the fundamental interactions of the standard model:
http://pauli.uni-muenster.de/tp/fileadmin/lehre/skripte/muenster/Gauge-theories.pdf

The range of a force is a concept from QFT. If the force carrier has zero mass you get an inverse square law like EM and gravity - such is called long range. If they have mass then it falls off quicker than inverse square (if I recall correctly exponentially - but don't hold me to it) and are called short range.

Thanks
Bill
 
bhobba said:
Its a predicted by the electroweak theory so your query is - why is the electroweak theory true.

The answer is - we don't know.

That said what is called gauge invariance has shed a lot of light on it, to the point gauge symmetry is considered to lie at the foundation of all the fundamental interactions of the standard model:
http://pauli.uni-muenster.de/tp/fileadmin/lehre/skripte/muenster/Gauge-theories.pdf

The range of a force is a concept from QFT. If the force carrier has zero mass you get an inverse square law like EM and gravity - such is called long range. If they have mass then it falls off quicker than inverse square (if I recall correctly exponentially - but don't hold me to it) and are called short range.

Thanks
Bill

So we don't know what causes it only that it happens? Why assign a range to it then, surely that's meaningless? I ask because I watched a video on YouTube that claimed its caused by bosons inside neutrinos ,when they get within a certain range, interacting with quarks in hadrons, and I was pretty sure that wasn't the case.
 
mokeejoe5 said:
So we don't know what causes it only that it happens? Why assign a range to it then, surely that's meaningless? I ask because I watched a video on YouTube that claimed its caused by bosons inside neutrinos ,when they get within a certain range, interacting with quarks in hadrons, and I was pretty sure that wasn't the case.

Of course we know what causes it - it is explained by the Electroweak theory. What we don't know is why the electroweak theory is true - it just is. However gauge symmetry gives it a very elegant foundation - but the question then is - why is gauge symmetry true - it very elegant and beautiful - which is aesthetically pleasing - but that doesn't tell us why. In science there are always unexplained things. If you explain some thing in terms of other things then all you have done is have a different foundation.

I don't know anything about bosons inside neutrinos etc. It quite possible you have come across some crank claims, but usually cranks don't make videos so I think its just something that was misinterpreted.

Thanks
Bill
 

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