Understanding Vacuum: 15HgV, 25HgV & High Viscosity Fluid

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a high viscosity fluid in a vacuum system with varying pressures, specifically comparing 15HgV and 25HgV. Participants explore the implications of using a vacuum pump to create different pressures for two regulators and the movement of the fluid in response to these pressures.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the fluid will move toward the higher vacuum (25HgV) or remain in place when subjected to different vacuum pressures (15HgV and 25HgV).
  • Another participant suggests that thinking in terms of absolute pressures may clarify the situation, indicating a lack of understanding of the configuration in the second question.
  • A participant proposes that the fluid will move toward the lower pressure side, emphasizing that the movement is driven by the pressure difference, regardless of atmospheric pressure.
  • There is a query about whether a vacuum pump set to full vacuum (29.9HgV) can effectively supply two regulators set to different pressures (15HgV and 25HgV) without both being limited to the lower pressure.
  • One participant requests a diagram to better understand the configuration being discussed.
  • Another participant explains that if the regulators are arranged in parallel with the low pressure end connected, the pressures will be as drawn, suggesting that the setup can achieve the desired pressures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the movement of the fluid and the effectiveness of the vacuum system configuration. There is no consensus on the outcomes of the fluid behavior or the pressure distribution among the regulators.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the importance of relative pressures and the role of pressure differences in fluid movement, but the discussion remains open-ended regarding the specific configurations and outcomes.

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Individuals interested in vacuum systems, fluid dynamics, and pressure regulation in engineering applications may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi

First question:
In one end there is vacuum something like 15HgV, other end is something like 25HgV, in the middle there is high viscosity fluid that is pre vacuumed in 25HgV for any air bubbles. 15HgV , space, high viscosity fluid, space, 25HgV . Does the fluid move to the higher vacuum or stay in place?

Second question:
If I use vacuum pump in full vacuum(29.9HgV) and I want to split(Y - way) vacuum for two regulators, first 15HgV, second 25HgV, do I get 25HgV to the second regulator?

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For the first question, what do you think happens and why? It may be easier to think in terms of absolute pressures.

I must confess that I don’t understand the configuration in the second question.
 
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I think the fluid move for the higher vacuum side. But can this help to stay in place - 15HgV , space, high viscosity fluid, vacuum tower with 15HgV, high viscosity fluid, vacuum tower with 25HgV ?

Vacuum regulators compensate the lower output vacuum with normal air pressure. So if the first vacuum regulator is set to 15HgV, does the second regulator can get to 25HgV or stay the same as the first regulator?

Vacuum pump - Y separator - first regulator on left Y side, second regulator on right Y side. To point... I want two different vacuum pressures with one vacuum pump.
 
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Could you make a diagram, even with paper and pencil, and post it?
 
I hope this helps.
 

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Ok. I try to explain again.
On the picture:

Q1 #1 What happens with blue medium(it is vacuumed with 25Hgv before put on the pipe). Do it moves to 15Hgv, 25HgV or stay in place?

Q1 #3 Same as like the firs question but with additional(2) 15Hgv port/tower.

Q2 #1 One vacuum pump with 29.9Hgv, 1 regulator regulated to 15HgV, 2 regulator regulated to 25Hgv. Do I get 25HgV on the 2 regulator or I am stuck with both regulators on 15HgV?
 
Q1 #1 and #3: it is about relative pressures. The blue goo will move from high pressure to low pressure with a force acting on it equal to the pressure difference times the normal surface area. Whether the absolute pressure is higher or lower than atmospheric is irrelevant, as long as there is no contact with the atmospheric pressure. So in both cases the goo will move to the lowest pressure tube.

Q2: If the regulators are mounted in parallel with the low pressure end connected but the high pressure end separated as shown in your drawing, you get indeed the pressures the way you draw them.
 

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