Uniform plane wave (help with a short walkthrough for a worked problem)

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a uniform plane wave characterized by an electric field vector \(\vec E = \hat x E_x\) propagating in a specific medium. The participants are tasked with writing the instantaneous expression for the electric field given certain parameters, including frequency and maximum electric field strength.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the introduction of a phase term \(\psi\) in the expression for the electric field and question its necessity. There are discussions about alternative methods to set the maximum electric field without introducing the phase term. Some participants also inquire about the relationship between the wave number \(k\) and wavelength.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their reasoning and clarifying concepts related to the phase of the wave and its implications on the maximum electric field. Some participants express understanding of the concepts, while others continue to seek clarification on specific points.

Contextual Notes

There are references to specific parameters of the medium, such as permittivity and permeability, which may influence the wave's behavior. The problem context includes constraints related to initial conditions for the electric field at specific time and position values.

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I don't understand something on this problem:

Q: A uniform plane wave with [itex]\vec E = \hat x E_x[/itex] propagates in a lossless simple medium ([itex]\epsilon_r = 4 \,\,\,\, \mu_r = 1 \,\,\,\, \sigma = 0[/itex]) in the +z-direction. Assume that [itex]E_x[/itex] is sinusoidal with a frequency of 100 (MHz) and has a maximum value of [itex]+10^{-4}[/itex] (V/m) at [itex]t=0[/itex] and [itex]z = \frac{1}{8}[/itex] (m)

Write the instantaneous expression for [itex]\vec E[/itex] for any t and z.

A:
Using [itex]\cos \omega t[/itex] as a reference, we find the instantaneous expression for [itex]\vec E[/itex] to be:

[tex]\vec E(z,t) = \hat x E_x = \hat x 10^{-4} \cos ( 2 \pi 10^8 t - kz + \psi)[/tex]

Since [itex]E_x[/itex] equals [itex]+10^{-4}[/itex] when the argument of the cosine function equals zero, that is when:

[tex]2 \pi 10^8 - kz + \psi = 0[/tex]

we have at [itex]t = 0[/itex], [itex]z = \frac{1}{8}[/itex]

[tex]\psi = kz = \frac{4 \pi}{3} \frac{1}{8} = \frac{\pi}{6}[/tex]

My question follows from this:
Why do we introduce the phase unknown phase [itex]\psi[/itex] and set [itex]E_x[/itex] according to this. Why couldn't we do this instead,

A:
Using [itex]\cos \omega t[/itex] as a reference, we find the instantaneous expression for [itex]\vec E[/itex] to be:

[tex]\vec E(z,t) = \hat x E_x = \hat x E_0 \cos ( 2 \pi 10^8 t - kz)[/tex]

Set the according t=0, z=1/8 so that,
[tex]\hat x E_0 \cos ( 2 \pi 10^8 (0) - k(\frac{1}{8}) = 10^{-4}[/tex] and meet the initial condition of a max of 10^-4 with [itex]E_0[/itex] instead of setting E_0 originally and changing the phase.
 
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I forget -- what is k in terms of lambda? It seems like the phi and the kz can influence the final equation under different constraints -- I could be wrong of course.
 
FrogPad said:
I don't understand something on this problem:

Q: A uniform plane wave with [itex]\vec E = \hat x E_x[/itex] propagates in a lossless simple medium ([itex]\epsilon_r = 4 \,\,\,\, \mu_r = 1 \,\,\,\, \sigma = 0[/itex]) in the +z-direction. Assume that [itex]E_x[/itex] is sinusoidal with a frequency of 100 (MHz) and has a maximum value of [itex]+10^{-4}[/itex] (V/m) at [itex]t=0[/itex] and [itex]z = \frac{1}{8}[/itex] (m)

Write the instantaneous expression for [itex]\vec E[/itex] for any t and z.

A:
Using [itex]\cos \omega t[/itex] as a reference, we find the instantaneous expression for [itex]\vec E[/itex] to be:

[tex]\vec E(z,t) = \hat x E_x = \hat x 10^{-4} \cos ( 2 \pi 10^8 t - kz + \psi)[/tex]

Since [itex]E_x[/itex] equals [itex]+10^{-4}[/itex] when the argument of the cosine function equals zero, that is when:

[tex]2 \pi 10^8 - kz + \psi = 0[/tex]

we have at [itex]t = 0[/itex], [itex]z = \frac{1}{8}[/itex]

[tex]\psi = kz = \frac{4 \pi}{3} \frac{1}{8} = \frac{\pi}{6}[/tex]

My question follows from this:
Why do we introduce the phase unknown phase [itex]\psi[/itex] and set [itex]E_x[/itex] according to this. Why couldn't we do this instead,

A:
Using [itex]\cos \omega t[/itex] as a reference, we find the instantaneous expression for [itex]\vec E[/itex] to be:

[tex]\vec E(z,t) = \hat x E_x = \hat x E_0 \cos ( 2 \pi 10^8 t - kz)[/tex]

Set the according t=0, z=1/8 so that,
[tex]\hat x E_0 \cos ( 2 \pi 10^8 (0) - k(\frac{1}{8}) = 10^{-4}[/tex] and meet the initial condition of a max of 10^-4 with [itex]E_0[/itex] instead of setting E_0 originally and changing the phase.
If you used

[tex]\hat x E_0 \cos ( 2 \pi 10^8 (0) - k(\frac{1}{8}) = 10^{-4}[/tex]

the maximum would not be 10^-4 and at t = 0 the maximum would be at z = 0.
 
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OlderDan said:
If you used

[tex]\hat x E_0 \cos ( 2 \pi 10^8 (0) - k(\frac{1}{8}) = 10^{-4}[/tex]

the maximum would not be 10^-4 and at t = 0 the maximum would be at z = 0.

oooooooooooooooooohhhh :)

Thanks man, that definitely makes sense! I really appreciate it.

berkeman:

[tex]k = \omega \sqrt{\mu \epsilon}[/tex]
 

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