Unifying GR + EM: Inflation & Gravity Effects

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of unifying General Relativity (GR) with Electromagnetism (E-M) and Quantum Mechanics (QM), particularly in the context of cosmic inflation and the behavior of gravity. Participants explore the implications of space-time curvature, the expansion of the universe, and the nature of gravitational fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the expansion rate of the universe during inflation was significantly high, raising questions about its implications for photon speeds and gravity.
  • Another participant challenges the numerical values presented, questioning the reporting of expansion rates and clarifying terminology such as "VOL" (velocity of light).
  • Some participants express uncertainty about how gravitational fields behave in relation to mass and space-time curvature, suggesting a potential conflict with GR's principles.
  • A later reply asserts that there is no inherent problem in unifying gravity with electricity and magnetism, but highlights the difficulty in unifying gravity with quantum mechanics.
  • One participant reflects on their earlier assumptions regarding the propagation speed of gravitational fields and acknowledges the complexity of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of cosmic inflation for gravity and photon speeds, with no consensus reached on the nature of the relationship between gravity and space-time curvature. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the unification of GR with E-M and QM.

Contextual Notes

Participants note various parameters involved in the behavior of gravitational fields at different epochs, indicating that assumptions may depend on specific conditions and definitions.

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In GR gravity is seen as a property of space-time , curvature. Now we know that sometime after the plank's time we had the universe dominated by radiation ( recombination) as such the rate of inflation was in the range of ~ 10^30 m/s , which as you can see is considerably larger than the VOL ( at about 10^-37 to 10^-35 of a second).

I might be waffling here but if the expansion of the universe itself is not constant due to various parameter , however , the way I see things it has no affect on individual photon speeds.On the other hand I am not sure how gravity field ( or quantum graviton would behave).
I find this in conflict with what GR proposes where gravity doesn't stay constant , and acts as a function of the mass's object.

Can someone shed light over this.

Is this one of the reasons why we are finding it hard to unify GR with E-M ?

P.S: I have more questions in mind which I will ask following on to replies.

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ibysaiyan said:
In GR gravity is seen as a property of space-time , curvature. Now we know that sometime after the plank's time we had the universe dominated by radiation ( recombination) as such the rate of inflation was in the range of ~ 10^30 m/s , which as you can see is considerably larger than the VOL ( at about 10^-37 to 10^-35 of a second).
Where are you getting your numbers (e.g. 10^30 m/s)? This is not the way that expansion rates are reported. Also, "inflation" refers to a specific epoch during which the early universe underwent accelerated expansion. What is "VOL"?

I might be waffling here but if the expansion of the universe itself is not constant due to various parameter , however , the way I see things it has no affect on individual photon speeds.
That's right. It doesn't and shouldn't.

On the other hand I am not sure how gravity field ( or quantum graviton would behave).
I find this in conflict with what GR proposes where gravity doesn't stay constant , and acts as a function of the mass's object.
You're losing me here. Gravitational fields are described by GR in terms of geometry. The universe is described by a non-static (expanding) spacetime, and GR accommodates this description perfectly fine. Where is the conflict?
 
As an aside, there is no problem whatsoever unifying gravity with electricity and magnetism. The problem is unifying gravity with quantum mechanics.
 
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Where are you getting your numbers (e.g. 10^30 m/s)? This is not the way that expansion rates are reported. Also, "inflation" refers to a specific epoch during which the early universe underwent accelerated expansion. What is "VOL"?

I see what you mean. By VOL I mean't velocity of light.

That's right. It doesn't and shouldn't.You're losing me here. Gravitational fields are described by GR in terms of geometry. The universe is described by a non-static (expanding) spacetime, and GR accommodates this description perfectly fine. Where is the conflict?
I presumed that since heavier masses have more warped space-time curvature , then as a consequence of this the G-field/ wave itself would have a varying propagation speed (sound nonsense to me) , but now that I think of it , a field's strength is proportional to the number of flux lines ( as is the case with B-fields , so perhaps same thing applies to gravity ? )
I don't know how I came with such a vague assumption. Obviously there are various parameters involved at different epochs.

Thanks for the correction (@ Chalnoth) .Of course it's the unification of gravity with QM that is being an issue.
 
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