Unique Partition of Evenly Covered Sets in Algebraic Topology

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The discussion revolves around the concept of unique partitions of evenly covered sets in algebraic topology, specifically focusing on the properties of continuous and surjective maps. Participants explore the implications of a set being evenly covered and the uniqueness of its partition into slices, raising questions about definitions and interpretations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the meaning of "partitioned into slices" and the definition of "evenly covered."
  • One participant suggests that the uniqueness of the partition may not hold because any set can be partitioned in multiple ways.
  • Another participant clarifies that the slices are mutually disjoint open subsets where the restriction of the map is a homeomorphism.
  • There is a reiteration that the definition of evenly covered implies that the inverse image is a union of disjoint open sets.
  • Some participants indicate that understanding the definitions properly could make the result seem trivial.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach a consensus on the uniqueness of the partition into slices, with multiple interpretations and definitions being discussed. There is ongoing uncertainty regarding the definitions and implications of the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unclear definitions of key terms such as "evenly covered" and "partitioned into slices," as well as unresolved questions about the uniqueness of partitions in different contexts.

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This discussion may be useful for students and researchers in algebraic topology, particularly those grappling with concepts related to covering spaces and partitions of sets.

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Note: I have many questions and will keep posting new ones as they come up. To find the questions simply scroll down to look for bold segments. Feel free to contribute any other comments relevant to the questions or the topic itself.

Here it is...

Let p:E->B be continuous and surjective. Suppose that U is an open set of B that is evenly covered by p. Show that if U is connected, then the partition of p^(-1)(U) into slices is unique.

Ok, I barely understand what it's asking me to show. Is it saying the partition of p^(-1)(U) is unique? Because I highly doubt it's that because any set can be partitioned many different ways!

I think it's saying that if we have a map p1:E->B that is continuous and surjective and that U is evenly covered by p1, then the partition p1^(-1)(U) will be the same as p^(-1)(U).

Is that it?
 
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What is the definition of 'evenly covered', and what is the definition of 'partitioned into slices'.
 
I have no idea what the definition of "partitioned into slices" is.

Being purely honest here. I'll have to wait until I get home to look up the definition since Google isn't helping me here.

I found the solution online and haven't read it. Personally, I don't even want to glance at it to get the definition of whatever it is.

I know that every slice of p^(-1)(U) is connected because they are all homeomorphic to U by restricting p.
 
since U is evenly covered by p, p^-1( U) = union( V_k) where V_k are mutually disjoint open subsets of V, the V_k are the "slices" and {V_k} is a partition of p^-1( U) into slices
 
ircdan said:
since U is evenly covered by p, p^-1( U) = union( V_k) where V_k are mutually disjoint open subsets of V, the V_k are the "slices" and {V_k} is a partition of p^-1( U) into slices

Yeah, I already know that. I probably just overcomplicated the question.

I don't see how it's unique because you can partition p^(-1)(U) in other ways. That is by making every point in p^(-1)(U) a set and that union of sets is p^(-1)(U) and all the intersections are disjoint.
 
JasonRox said:
Yeah, I already know that. I probably just overcomplicated the question.

I don't see how it's unique because you can partition p^(-1)(U) in other ways. That is by making every point in p^(-1)(U) a set and that union of sets is p^(-1)(U) and all the intersections are disjoint.

those sets you create won't necessarily be slices, you need to show the partition of p^(-1)(U) into slices is unique, not just any partition

just go back to the definition
Let p:E->B be continuous. U subset B is evenly covered by p if p^-1(U) is a union of disjoint open sets in E, call them {V_j}, s.t. for each j the restriction of p to V_j is a homeomorphism of V_j onto U. In this case, the V_j's are called slices.
 
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Once you see why this is true you're going to kick yourself because it is quite simple. Here's the definition of partition into slices:

partition into slices = partition into disjoint open subsets such that the restriction of p to each open subset is a homeomorphism
 
if you define the terms propwrly the reuslt is trivial. i.e. the slices are just conncetde components of the inverse image.

evenlycovered emans covering space.
 
Nolen Ryba said:
Once you see why this is true you're going to kick yourself because it is quite simple. Here's the definition of partition into slices:

partition into slices = partition into disjoint open subsets such that the restriction of p to each open subset is a homeomorphism

Oh boy, I know the feeling now.

I'll keep posting my Algebraic Topology questions here I guess.
 

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