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The original poster presents a problem involving a rocket launched from Earth, seeking to determine the altitude it reaches based on its initial velocity. The context involves concepts from gravitational physics and energy conservation.

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  • Participants discuss various equations related to gravitational potential and escape velocity, with some questioning the relevance of the original poster's chosen equation. There is an exploration of whether the problem is fundamentally about gravitational potential near Earth.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the applicability of different equations and emphasizing the importance of conservation laws in approaching the problem. There is a recognition that the original approach may not be suitable, but no consensus has been reached on a specific method.

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Some participants note that certain equations, such as those for gravitational potential energy, may not be appropriate due to the assumptions they carry regarding the scale of the problem relative to Earth's radius.

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Q: a 4.6 kg rocket is launched directly upward from Earth at 9 km/s .
What altitude above Earth's surface does the rocket reach?



Relevant equations: v=\sqrt{2Gm/r}
Eg=Gm1m2(1/r1-1/r2)


my attempt: i figured i should use the first equation which contains velocity so i did:

9000=\sqrt{2(6.67x10^-11)(5.99x10^24/r}
9000^2=2(6.67x10^-11)(5.99x10^24)/r
r=9,865 km

the answer is 1.21x10^4 km
please help, thanks!
 
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physicsdb said:
Relevant equations: v=\sqrt{2Gm/r}
That equation is not relevant to this problem. This is not a question about escape velocity.
 
so is this just a gravitational potential near Earth question ?
 
No. You cannot use mgh as gravitational potential energy for this problem because that expression assumes h is very small compared to the radius of the Earth.
 
i just tried Fg=Gm1m2/r^2 and that doesn't work either
9.8=6.67^-11(5.99x10^24)/r^2
 
Force isn't the relevant equation, either.

You won't make much progress in physics, or in any technical field, if your approach is to grab some random expression and run with it. You need to think. Ask yourself, what is it that would make this problem solvable?

In physics, one of the first places you should look is the conservation laws. The rocket's momentum isn't a conserved quantity; there's an external force (gravity) on the rocket. Conservation of angular momentum isn't going to help much; since the rocket was launched straight up, the rocket's angular momentum is identically zero from the perspective of an Earth-centered frame. That leaves conservation of energy, and it is very applicable since gravitation is a conservative force.
 

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