Universal mass than a proton?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of universal mass prior to the Big Bang, specifically questioning the idea that all mass was contained in an infinitely small volume compared to a proton. Participants explore the implications of this idea and its assumptions, as well as alternative perspectives on the nature of density and singularities in cosmology.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the assumption that all mass was packed into a volume smaller than a proton, suggesting it might be more reasonable to consider a larger volume, such as that of the Milky Way.
  • Another participant clarifies that the concept is about infinite density rather than an infinitely small volume.
  • Some participants express discomfort with the notion of infinity, indicating a preference for understanding infinite density over infinite smallness.
  • It is noted that the mathematical singularity associated with the Big Bang is not widely accepted as a realistic model by many modern cosmologists.
  • A participant reflects on their learning journey and expresses a desire to step back from seeking definitive answers, finding the topic to be overly academic and uncertain.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the interpretation of singularities and density, with no consensus reached on the validity of the models discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of infinite concepts and express uncertainty about the implications of the Big Bang model.

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Universal mass <<<< than a proton?

Of all the models and theories that are being tossed about as fact,
the one that I have the most trouble with is that:

prior to the Big Bang, ALL mass...the Dark Energy, Dark Matter, and the mere 5% that comprises all the visible structures...stars, galaxies, gas, etc was packed into an infinitely small volume<<<<<< than a proton!? =O

Is that just an assumption when we extrapolate backwards in time?

Is it not possible that the volume was more reasonable, e.g. the Milky Way, still an incredibly
tiny volume to contain the mass of the entire universe?

I did a search about "singularity" but don't see an answer to my question.

Thanks,
Cal
 
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Ah, not necessarily infinitely small, but infinitely dense.
 


Infinitely dense makes sense. :smile:
 


If you say so.
 


The mathematical singularity of the 'big bang' is not considered a realistic model by most modern cosmologists.
 


The mathematical singularity of the 'big bang' is not considered a realistic model by most modern cosmologists.
Thanks...I'm just at the beginning of the learning curve, and only have a undergrad math background.

Actually, I can't comprehend infinite anything, but somehow infinite density
is more acceptable to me with my limited knowledge and IQ than compressing
everything into something infinitely small.


Later...

came to the conclusion that I really don't need or want to know the answer...infinitely academic, and uncertain.

But thanks for the time & consideration. =)
 
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