Universe is infinite-no beginning and no end

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The discussion revolves around the nature of the universe, specifically addressing the concept of whether the universe is infinite and unbounded, and the implications of the big bang theory. Participants explore theoretical interpretations, misconceptions, and the philosophical implications of cosmological models.

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  • One participant argues that the universe must be infinite and unbounded, questioning the logic of the big bang theory and its implications regarding expansion.
  • Another participant clarifies that the big bang theory does not assert that the universe was ever the size of a pinhead, but rather that density increases as we look back in time, and emphasizes that the theory does not address the origin of the universe.
  • This second participant also notes that the expansion of the universe is not akin to an explosion into pre-existing space, but rather a process where unbound objects move further apart over time.
  • A third participant suggests that the first post reflects a misunderstanding of cosmological principles and provides links to additional resources for clarification.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of supporting claims with theory or evidence, highlighting the scientific nature of the forum.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the big bang theory and the nature of the universe. There is no consensus on the claims made regarding the universe's infinity or the validity of the big bang model.

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Some limitations include the lack of clarity on the definitions of "infinite" and "unbounded," as well as unresolved questions about the conditions at and before t=0 in cosmological models.

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It makes no mathematical logic to say the universe started with a minute pinhead sized mass that suddenly exploded and start expanding. If this were true, then what entity is the mass expanding into? Humans must accept that the universe is infinite and unbounded... with no beginning and no end. Sorry, but some things have no logical explanation.
 
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You have a very serious misconception about the standard model of cosmology and the big bang theory.

To start, we do believe that it is very possible the universe is both unbound and infinite in extent. The big bang theory never says the universe, as a whole, was ever the size of a pinhead. It merely says that the density increases as we go further back in time. However we can take the OBSERVABLE universe and say that at X point in time it was the size of a pinhead. But this is only referring to the observable universe, not the whole universe.

Also, the big bang theory does not deal with the origin of the universe. What happened at and before t=0 in our model is unknown. It is possible that the universe has no beginning and no end. We simply don't know.

As for expansion, it was not an "explosion" in the normal sense. It merely means that all objects not bound to each other through one of the fundamental forces of nature are getting further apart over time. There is no expansion into any pre-existing space as a regular explosion would require.
 
Drakkith covered the major points you were not aware of in cosmology.

this link has two articles that will also help

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=709478

I also recommend you read the FAQ section on this forum, their is numerous articles to clarify the misconceptions you have on the BB model
 
You can't just state something as true without any theory or evidence to back it up. These are science forums.
 

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