Universe will end in 5 billion years?

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The discussion centers around the prediction that the universe may end in approximately five billion years, as suggested by a theory related to the origins of the universe. Participants explore the implications of this theory, its reception in the scientific community, and related works that challenge or critique the assumptions behind it.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references an article suggesting that the universe could end in five billion years, coinciding with the death of the sun.
  • Another participant recalls skepticism surrounding the original paper from 2010, noting that it did not lead to significant developments in the field.
  • Concerns are raised about the plausibility of the "eternal inflation" theory, with a notable cosmologist expressing doubts and suggesting that the assumptions behind it should be critically examined.
  • A third participant mentions a follow-up paper by Ken Olum that addresses issues related to defining probabilities in an eternally inflating universe, indicating that the problem remains unresolved.
  • One participant questions the specific timeframe of five billion years, suggesting that alternative durations, such as twenty billion years, could also be considered.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express skepticism about the theory predicting the universe's end in five billion years, with multiple competing views on the validity of the underlying assumptions and the implications of eternal inflation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the timeframe and the theoretical foundations.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made in the theories presented, the lack of consensus on the implications of eternal inflation, and the unresolved nature of defining probabilities in such a context.

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Found this article:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...ce-universe-end-of-time-multiverse-inflation/

Our universe has existed for nearly 14 billion years, and as far as most people are concerned, the universe should continue to exist for billions of years more.

But according to a new paper, there's one theory for the origins of the universe that predicts time itself will end in just five billion years—coincidentally, right around the time our sun is slated to die.
 
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I sort of remember when that paper came out back in 2010
http://arxiv.org/abs/1009.4698
There was a flurry of skeptical interest. Not much came of it.

Popular science writing will often make something SEEM more plausible than it is.

Charles Lineweaver's reaction is probably fairly typical.
We don't know that "eternal inflation" is right and at least one version of it leads to an implausible conclusion. This is useful as a reductio ad absurdum. He says the Bousso paper makes him more inclined to take seriously the criticism of eternal inflation. In other words to seriously question the assumptions.

Lineweaver is a world-class senior cosmologist. Bousso is a string theorist whose research is no primarily in cosmo.
I have not heard anything about the paper for the past couple of years. So I guess it has pretty much been forgotten.
 
I don't know if anyone wants to take the time to go back to the 2010 Bousso et al paper and follow thru on it. If you do want to take it seriously, you might want to look at this 2011 paper by Ken Olum in 2011. It was motivated in part as an answer to the Bousso et al. which Olum cites as his reference [3] in the introduction:
http://inspirehep.net/record/1089145
Is there any coherent measure for eternal inflation?
Ken D. Olum (Tufts U., Inst. of Cosmology)
Feb 2012 - 10 pages
Phys.Rev. D86 (2012) 063509
DOI: 10.1103/PhysRevD.86.063509
e-Print: arXiv:1202.3376 [hep-th] | PDF
Abstract: An eternally inflating universe produces an infinite amount of spatial volume, so every possible event happens an infinite number of times, and it is impossible to define probabilities in terms of frequencies. This problem is usually addressed by means of a measure, which regulates the infinities and produces meaningful predictions. I argue that any measure should obey certain general axioms, but then give a simple toy model in which one can prove that no measure obeying the axioms exists. In certain cases of eternal inflation there are measures that obey the axioms, but all such measures appear to be unacceptable for other reasons. Thus the problem of defining sensible probabilities in eternal inflation seems not be solved.
10 pages.

Olum is one of those skeptics quoted along with Lineweaver in the National Geographic article. This paper is part of his reaction to the kind of thing the Bousso et al authors were doing in their 2010 paper.
 
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Why 5 billion years, why not 20 billion years?
 

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