University admission and mental illness

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The discussion revolves around the potential discrimination faced by individuals with mental illnesses during university admissions, particularly focusing on the experiences and concerns of applicants with Bipolar Disorder. Participants explore the implications of disclosing mental health issues in application essays and the legalities surrounding admissions processes at various universities.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about potential discrimination against applicants with mental illnesses, citing statistics related to Bipolar Disorder and suicide rates.
  • Another participant argues that discrimination would be illegal and could lead to severe consequences for universities if discovered.
  • Some participants suggest that universities cannot legally discriminate unless there is evidence that a student may not function effectively as a student.
  • There are mentions of application processes in the UK, where applicants may be asked about health issues but are not obligated to disclose them.
  • One participant contemplates including their experience with Bipolar Disorder in their application essay to highlight personal growth and resilience.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the value of framing mental illness positively in an essay, questioning whether it could detract from the applicant's perceived capability.
  • Some participants suggest that discussing mental illness could provide a broader perspective to the admissions committee, while others caution against making it the focal point of the application.
  • There are differing opinions on whether an essay could justify academic performance fluctuations due to mental health challenges, with some arguing it could be advantageous if framed correctly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether discussing mental illness in an application essay is beneficial or detrimental. There are competing views on the legal aspects of discrimination and the implications of disclosing mental health issues in applications.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference specific universities and their application processes, noting variations in how mental health inquiries are handled. There is also mention of the potential impact of personal narratives on admissions decisions, which remains a subjective area of discussion.

inception7
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I was wondering if Universities discriminate against people who suffer from one or several mental illnesses? What about MIT, Berkeley, Stanford, Princeton, Caltech, etc etc ?

I ask this because I will be soon applying to University in about 1.5 year and sometimes they ask for any health issue (or maybe they don't ask?). I have Bipolar Disorder, and what I'm afraid of is that they will base their decision on statistics such as high suicide rates amongst those with Bipolar Disorder.

For instance: "At least 25% to 50% of patients with bipolar disorder also attempt suicide at least once..." (Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10826661)
 
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First off, that would be discrimination and if caught doing that, the college would soon be closed down and a bunch of lawyers would be extremely wealthy.

Second off, just no.
 
I assume that it is not legal for them to discriminate unless there is some reason to believe that they will not be capable of functioning as a student. Even then they could get in some trouble.

You might like to know that there have been a number of Uni students posting here that have aspergers and rather obvious issues with socialization. I don't think being bipolar is likely to effect your chances.
 
I think you could find out from National Alliance for the Mentally Ill (NAMI) what a college is allowed to ask.
 
It took me about 3 minutes to download the application from MIT and the Common College Application (Princeton, Caltech and many others). None of them ask "do you have a mental illness". If they don't know, how can it influence any decision?
 
When applying to universities here in the UK I've been asked questions along the lines of "do you have any illnesses that you wish to make known to us (please note you are not obliged to answer this question)". If they don't ask then telling them is entirely down to your discretion
 
Well the thing is, even if they don't explicitly ask, I'm counting writing an essay (part of the application) which probably will refer to it. I intend to showcase my struggle with Bipolar Disorder, mentioning how it affected me on an academic scale and personal. The point is to display the positive outcomes and what I've achieved, the perspectives I've gained and etc etc.

Or is that a bad idea for an essay topic ? This has been a huge part of my life, so I can't imagine skipping it...
 
Vanadium 50 said:
It took me about 3 minutes to download the application from MIT and the Common College Application (Princeton, Caltech and many others). None of them ask "do you have a mental illness". If they don't know, how can it influence any decision?

What if you specifically reference your illness in your essay, and demonstrate your academic/personal growth.

I'm thinking of discussing about it, because I believe this will show a bigger picture to the admission committee. Like add a different or extra perspective.
 
Honestly, as someone who has studied psychology a bit, I have a hard time seeing any positive that comes from having a mental illness.

Usually it just harms, never helps. I say this because I don't know how strong your essay will be. I don't know how much you can turn being bipolar into a positive thing.

I hate those types of essays though. I hate trying to make something bad into something good. It's so convoluted, but it DOES get you places if you can do it well...
 
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inception7 said:
Or is that a bad idea for an essay topic ? This has been a huge part of my life, so I can't imagine skipping it...

inception7 said:
I'm thinking of discussing about it, because I believe this will show a bigger picture to the admission committee. Like add a different or extra perspective.

That is exactly the reason why it is a dumb idea for a topic. Do you really want to tell the admissions people that the most important thing in your past life was mental illness?

The message you should to be giving them is why the most important thing in your future life is getting a degree, not giving them reasons to doubt whether you can handle being a successful student.

Save the contents of the essay till you become famous enough to write your autobiography. Then you can tell the story in as much detail as you like.
 
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AlephZero said:
That is exactly the reason why it is a dumb idea for a topic. Do you really want to tell the admissions people that the most important thing in your past life was mental illness?

The message you should to be giving them is why the most important thing in your future life is getting a degree, not giving them reasons to doubt whether you can handle being a successful student.

Save the contents of the essay till you become famous enough to write your autobiography. Then you can tell the story in as much detail as you like.

No.

An essay can justify an abnormal grades curve. For instance, if you are strong in grade 9, but fell apart in grade 10 and 11, you can then reason with the admission committee. This is assuming a positive prognosis, ie: the individual expected to achieve excellent grades post grade 11.

And it's not just about the grades, it's also about other worthwhile extracurriular activities. For example: summer internships at the local university, research (not just a juvenile research work but Intel ISEF level), etc.

If your essays strongly outline what you've achieved and done so far despite the issues faced, then will it not work in your advantage?
 

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