University Format over the centuries

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The discussion explores the evolution of teaching methods and university structures over the centuries, focusing on historical examples such as Aristotle's teaching style and the lecture format at Oxford in the 1600s. It encompasses theoretical perspectives on educational practices and historical context.

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  • Some participants inquire about the teaching methods of Aristotle, speculating on whether he used a lecture format involving drawing in the sand.
  • One participant mentions their limitations in discussing earlier educational practices, indicating a personal focus on more recent experiences at Trinity College.
  • A participant notes that the term 'academy' originates from Plato, while the concept of a 'university' emerged in the Middle Ages, around the 1200s.
  • Another participant explains that the 'Socratic method' of dialogue and questioning can be traced back to Socrates and Plato, contrasting it with the medieval practice of lecturing.
  • One contributor elaborates on the origins of the term "university," describing it as a collective of colleges and comparing the structural differences between American and English universities regarding course offerings and student living arrangements.
  • Another participant adds that undergraduate education in the US reflects the 'Oxbridge' model, while graduate education aligns more with the German research university model.

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Participants express varying levels of knowledge about historical teaching methods, with some agreeing on the origins of educational terms and structures while others focus on different educational experiences. The discussion does not reach a consensus on specific teaching practices or their evolution.

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Some claims about historical practices depend on interpretations of historical texts and may lack definitive evidence. The discussion reflects a range of perspectives on educational evolution without resolving ambiguities regarding specific practices.

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So does anyone know how teaching has evolved over the centuries? How Aristotle taught his students, was it like everyone gather around him as he gave a lecture in the sand making circles and such?

How about Oxford in the 1600s? What was a lecture like back then?
 
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So does anyone know how teaching has evolved over the centuries? How Aristotle taught his students, was it like everyone gather around him as he gave a lecture in the sand making circles and such?

How about Oxford in the 1600s? What was a lecture like back then?

Sorry, I don't go back that far. I can't talk about anything earlier than the classes I shared with Hamilton at Trinity College ...
 
The term 'academy' dates to Plato, and the western concept of a 'university' dates back to the middle ages- 1200 or so.

In terms of lectures/teaching styles, the 'Socratic method' of dialog and questioning dates to Socrates and Plato, while 'lecturing' dates from the medieval universities.
 
By the way, the term "university" comes from the word "universal" and was a group of colleges that banded together. The United States tends to follow the European pattern where we have a "college of arts and sciences", "college of architecture", "college of engineering", while students in all colleges may live in the same dormitories- that is, the "colleges" center on subjects, not student. Oxford, Cambridge, and English universities in general, have colleges based on living quarters with, say, Literature, Math, etc. course offered at the lecture halls of each college though upper level classes may be taken at which ever college has specialists in that field.
Although I have never attended an English university, my understanding is that lower level courses, at least, tend to large lectures by "professors" with additional individual tutoring by "tutors" who work for the university (not our, American, concept of "free lance" tutors). And upper level and graduate courses may be entirely "individual tutoring".
 
I would only add that in the US university, undergraduate education mirrors the 'Oxbridge' model (groups of colleges, living on campus, etc.), while graduate education mirrors the German research university model.
 

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