Unlimited Possibilities: Replicating ID4's Force Field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of replicating a fictional force field as depicted in the movie Independence Day (ID4). Participants explore theoretical possibilities for creating such a force field, assuming unlimited energy and space, while considering the implications of its functionality and limitations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the force field could be intelligent, capable of distinguishing between friend and foe, and reacting to fast-moving projectiles while allowing slower objects to pass.
  • One idea suggests using a magnetic field that could heat and disable fast-moving projectiles through induction, contingent on the availability of unlimited energy.
  • Another participant mentions existing electromagnetic fields, noting their limitations in repelling all types of objects, as they only affect charged or magnetic materials.
  • Concerns are raised about the biological effects of strong magnetic fields on humans, suggesting that such limitations could hinder the effectiveness of a force field against projectiles.
  • There is a caution regarding the rapid deployment of a force field, which could potentially cause electromagnetic pulses (EMPs) that might damage electronic devices.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various speculative ideas about the nature and functionality of a force field, but there is no consensus on a viable model or approach. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the feasibility and implications of such technology.

Contextual Notes

Limitations discussed include the biological effects of strong magnetic fields, the potential for electromagnetic interference with electronics, and the absence of a known general force field in physics that operates at the scale of ID4's depiction.

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What is the closest thing we can come up with that does the same thing as ID4's force field?Assuming we have unlimited energy, unlimited space and somehow won't kill anyone in the process.
 
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I read that the characteristics of the force field was that it could be turned on and off within the ship, that it appeared when a projectile approached and then disappeared, that it could distinguish between friend and foe objects.

One thought was that it was velocity based, ie fast projectiles were stopped but slow moving ones were not.

Bottom line is you're talking about a somewhat intelligent force field system which can detect whether an approaching object is a friend or foe and then decide to deploy the field. While we have AI based systems that can do a variety of tasks, they are probably too slow to react to any fast moving threat.

There is no general force field in physics that we know of that can repel any object at the scale of ID4. We do have electromagnetic fields but they would only act on certain types of objects with charges or magnetic properties.

Stargate SG-1 The Nox episode showed that the Gou'ld bad guys had a personal force field that reacted to fast moving objects but allowed slow moving ones to enter.
 
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jedishrfu said:
One thought was that it was velocity based, ie fast projectiles were stopped but slow moving ones were not
I had an idea: perhaps it’s a magnetic field somehow deployed in that certain position and fries anything tries passing it fast by heating it up like induction heaters, and allowed slow objects to pass. Is that somewhat possible?(after all,I have unlimited energy)
 
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You can search via google on viable force fields and you'll get some hits:

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/03/boeing-patents-star-trek-force-fields

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/magnet-force-field/

https://futurism.com/new-force-field-technology-hopes-protect-astronauts-future-deep-space-missions/

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-theoretically-possible-to-create-force-fields-as-we-see-in-the-movies

I can't really say if your idea is sound. You need to consider certain limits like what would happen to a human inside a strong magnetic field. It may be that biological restrictions that will limit its strength and hence it would be ineffective against projectiles. There's been studies done with magnetic fields applied to the brain which gave the recipient out of body feelings.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2018/05/25/magnets-human-body/#.W4k0u85Ki4o

Also switching on such a field quickly might be akin to an EMP which would induce currents in your electronics frying them in place. Say good-bye to your smart phone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse
 
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