Unlock Your Ultimate Health Potential: Learn from World Level Athletes

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of "perfect health" and whether it is attainable or if health can always improve. Participants explore the relationship between athletic training, fitness, and overall health, questioning the definitions and implications of these terms.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that while fitness can always improve, the definition of "ultimate fitness" varies and may not correlate with health, as seen in marathon runners who may have shorter lifespans due to the stresses of their training.
  • Others argue that "perfect health" is a vague concept, equating it to being free from illness or injury, and that even world-class athletes can experience health issues.
  • A participant defines "perfect health" in terms of specific physiological metrics, such as good blood regulation and heart rate, and expresses a belief that swimmers are among the healthiest athletes.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes the role of genetics in determining health potential, suggesting that individuals can only achieve health improvements within the limits set by their genetic predispositions.
  • Concerns are raised about the trade-offs faced by elite athletes, who may excel in certain health aspects while compromising others, such as joint health and hormonal balance.
  • A participant questions whether there is a limit to health improvement, seeking clarification on the existence of a "dead end" in achieving perfect health.
  • Some participants express a desire to focus on health rather than athletic performance, questioning if health can continuously improve.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definition of perfect health or whether it can always improve. Multiple competing views exist regarding the relationship between fitness, health, and the impact of genetics.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions about health metrics, the influence of genetics, and the potential trade-offs in athletic training, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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If you do everything you are suppose to like world level athletes do. Is there such a thing as a perfect health. I mean can your health always get better? So you can never be healthiest your body can be b/c your body can always get healthier.
 
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It's an odd question, of course you can always improve your fitness, but what are you looking for? If you say the ultimate in fitness is a Marathon runner, they tend to die earlier than other athletes, because of the stresses it puts on their bodies? There is no peak as such. What is it you are looking for, fitness or health? These are widely differing subjects.
 
World level athletes train their bodies to do a specific task. They don't do it for their health.

Morever, "perfect health" is really a mundane concept. It's just another way of saying, "not sick, injured, or suffering from the effects of aging." If you're capable of going through the day without much pain or strain, without the assistance of medicene, chances are you're in perfect health.

World level athletes can get sick, injured, and aged like rest of us, anyway. No one is immune from everything.
 
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When I say perfect health, I mean good blood regulation, nice heart beat rate, no blood clots, etc. More than 99% of the people I know have blood clots in their body. I believe swimmers are the healthiest. But then again, can their body improve? Not become more powerful, just improve as in getting healthier.
 
superweirdo said:
When I say perfect health, I mean good blood regulation, nice heart beat rate, no blood clots, etc. More than 99% of the people I know have blood clots in their body. I believe swimmers are the healthiest. But then again, can their body improve? Not become more powerful, just improve as in getting healthier.

You can't do better than your own genes allow, and everyone is different in this. There are individuals who live really super healthy lives, yet have inherited cardiovasular problems. You can inherit cancer propensity too, like the famous BRCA genes that tend to produce breast cancer in women and prostate cancer in men.

But whatever hand genetics has dealt you, you can choose to live the healthiest life permitted by that. And if you can afford it, advanced medical care, it will help too. Look at Vice President Cheney. Absent some repeated, very expensive, interventions, he would have been dead years ago. I have a friend who had four kidney transplants before one took. He is living a (conditionally) healthy life now, but for a decade his life was maximally fragile.
 
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Look at Vice President Cheney. Absent some repeated, very expensive, interventions, he would have been dead years ago. I have a friend who had four kidney transplants before one took. He is living a (conditionally) healthy life now, but for a decade his life was maximally fragile.
That's great! I love medicine!
When I say perfect health, I mean good blood regulation, nice heart beat rate, no blood clots, etc.
Sounds like you mean cardiovascular fitness. The best way for that is to do very painful amounts of aerobic exercise, running being probably the best. Chroot would say bike 1000 miles if he were here. :biggrin:
 
So are you saying there is a limit to how healthy you can get? You are saying there is a deadend? There is such a thing as a perfect health?
 
There is a trade-off for elite athletes. They may have great cardiovascular fitness, and muscle strength, but in the process, they damage their joints and bones (stress fractures are common), and disrupt other aspects of their physiology (female athletes are prone to amenorrhea due to their low body fat and high energy consumption). So, no, there is likely no such thing as perfect health. You always are balancing strengthening one system at the expense of another.
 
Perhaps, athletes was a wrong example, I don't care about performance, I care about pure health, can it always get better?
 

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