Unraveling the Complexity of a Limit Problem Involving ln(x)

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a limit involving the natural logarithm function and trigonometric functions. Participants explore different approaches to simplify the limit expression as \( x \) approaches \( a \) from the right, including the application of L'Hôpital's rule and algebraic manipulation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty with the limit and seeks hints, indicating that applying L'Hôpital's rule complicates the problem.
  • Another participant suggests a limit property that may help simplify the expression, although they later retract this hint, implying that another post provides a complete solution.
  • A participant proposes focusing on the limit of a simplified function \( f(x) = \frac{\ln(x-a)}{\ln(e^x - e^a)} \) and applies L'Hôpital's rule twice, arriving at a limit of 1.
  • Another participant confirms the approach and derives that the original limit simplifies to \( \cos(a) \), noting that a misinterpretation of logarithmic properties could lead to the same result.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the best approach to solve the limit, as participants present different methods and interpretations. Some participants agree on the final result of \( \cos(a) \), but the path to that conclusion is debated.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully resolve the complexities involved in applying L'Hôpital's rule or the assumptions made regarding logarithmic identities, leaving some mathematical steps and interpretations open to further discussion.

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I'm having trouble with this limit. It gets complicated really quickly when I apply l'hopital's. Any hints?

$$\lim_{{x}\to{a^+}}\frac{\cos\left({x}\right)\ln\left({x-a}\right)}{\ln\left({e^x-e^a}\right)}$$
 
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Is the problem out of a book?
 
All the problems I post are from past Calc I exam papers. This question is worth 3 marks out of 100. Don't see why it would be so difficult (Headbang)
 
Hint:

$$\lim_{x\to a}\left[f(x)\cdot g(x)\right]=\lim_{x\to a}f(x)\cdot\lim_{x\to a}g(x)$$

edit: Never mind, the post below gives the complete solution.
 
Rido12 said:
I'm having trouble with this limit. It gets complicated really quickly when I apply l'hopital's. Any hints?

$$\lim_{{x}\to{a^+}}\frac{\cos\left({x}\right)\ln\left({x-a}\right)}{\ln\left({e^x-e^a}\right)}$$

The term cos x is not critical and You can look at the limit of...

$\displaystyle f(x) = \frac{\ln (x-a)}{\ln (e^{x} - e^{a})}\ (1)$

Now applying two times de l'Hopital You obtain...

$\displaystyle \lim_{x \rightarrow a+} \frac{\ln (x-a)}{\ln (e^{x} - e^{a})} = \lim_{x \rightarrow a+} e^{-x} \frac{e^{x} - e^{a}}{x - a} = \lim_{x \rightarrow a+} e^{-x}\ e^{x} = 1\ (2)$

... so that Your limit is [simply] cos a...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
Let me see...I can't believe I didn't see that...

$$=\cos\left({a}\right)\lim_{{x}\to{a^+}}\frac{\ln\left({x-a}\right)}{\ln\left({e^x-e^a}\right)}$$
$$=\frac{\cos\left({a}\right)}{e^a}\lim_{{x}\to{a^+}}\frac{e^x-e^a}{x-a}$$
Applying my favorite trick :D
$$=\frac{\cos\left({a}\right)}{e^a}\d{}{x}e^x|_{x=a}$$
$$=\cos\left({a}\right)$$

A lucky coincidence. If you wrongly assume that $\ln\left({x-a}\right)=\ln\left({x}\right)-\ln\left({a}\right)=\ln\left({\frac{x}{a}}\right)$, you get the same answer. (Dull)
 

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