Unraveling the Mysteries of Dark Energy and Dark Matter in the Universe

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of dark energy and dark matter in the universe, focusing on their implications for the critical density of the universe, the composition of matter, and the nature of redshift. Participants explore theoretical aspects, definitions, and alternative explanations related to these topics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that during the inflationary phase, the average density of matter equaled the critical density, which has since decreased to about 10% of that value, suggesting the presence of dark matter.
  • Another participant explains critical density as the energy density that results in a flat universe, derived from the Friedmann equation, and states that it includes all types of energy content, with current estimates being approximately 70% dark energy and 30% matter.
  • A participant questions the 10% figure, suggesting it may refer specifically to baryonic matter density.
  • Another participant provides updated figures for the composition of the universe: 6% baryonic matter, 24% dark matter, and 70% dark energy.
  • One participant raises a question about the necessity of dark energy and expansion to explain redshift, proposing an alternative idea that light might be decelerating over time.
  • Another participant clarifies that redshift is an increase in wavelength rather than a deceleration of light.
  • A later reply mentions the "tired light" hypothesis as a previously proposed but debunked explanation for redshift.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of dark energy and alternative explanations for redshift, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved on these points. There is also some uncertainty regarding the specific percentages of baryonic and dark matter.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various definitions and assumptions related to critical density and energy content, which may not be universally agreed upon. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of redshift.

gianeshwar
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Dear Friends!
I have read that in early universe in the inflationary phase the average density of matter was equal to critical density and now it is 10 percent of that due to which it is probably inferred that there must be hidden dark matter.
Please correct the information if wrong or incomplete or updated now.Moreover is it only matter referred here or (matter plus energy).
Also I want to know how the critical density is decided?
 
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The critical density (or more accurately critical energy density) is the energy density for which the (homogeneous and isotropic) Universe would have no curvature (or equivalently, infinite radius of curvature). The critical density is derived from the Friedmann equation, which can be expressed as
$$
H^2 = \frac{8\pi G}{3} \rho - \frac{\kappa}{R_0^2 a^2},
$$
where ##a = a(t)## is the scale factor of the Universe, ##R_0## is the radius of curvature today, ##\rho## the energy density of the Universe, and ##H## is the Hubble parameter ##\dot a/a##. The second term on the right hand side is the curvature term and in order to have a flat universe, it must be equal to zero. This defines the critical energy density as
$$
H^2 = \frac{8\pi G}{3} \rho_c \quad \Rightarrow \quad \rho_c = \frac{3 H^2}{8\pi G}.
$$
Energy density will therefore often be expressed as a ratio compared to the critical energy density: ##\Omega = \rho/\rho_c##. With this, the Friedmann equation can be recast to
$$
1-\Omega = -\frac{\kappa}{R_0^2 \dot a(t)^2}.
$$

In general, ##\Omega## includes all types of energy content in the Universe, currently about 70% dark energy and 30% matter (out of which the majority is dark).
 
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The 10% figure you mention [which seems a little high] was probably only referring to baryonic matter density.
 
At last count that I remember, it's 6% baryonic matter, 24% dark matter, and 70% dark energy.
 
Naïvely, just asking : why do we need dark energy and expansion to explain the redshift ? Why can't we just imagine that light is decelerating by itself, through time?
 
Redshift is not a deceleration of light, but an increase in its wavelength.
 
michelange said:
Naïvely, just asking : why do we need dark energy and expansion to explain the redshift ? Why can't we just imagine that light is decelerating by itself, through time?

"Tired light" was proposed and debunked thoroughly years ago.
 

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