Unraveling the Mystery of Planetary Motion: Mercury & Pluto

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The discussion revolves around the differences in orbital velocities of Mercury and Pluto, exploring the underlying principles of planetary motion and gravitational forces. It touches on theoretical aspects, mathematical reasoning, and conceptual clarifications related to Kepler's Laws and centripetal acceleration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why Mercury moves faster than Pluto.
  • Another suggests studying Kepler's Laws of Planetary Motion for clarity.
  • A participant explains that if Pluto had Mercury's velocity, it would exceed the Sun's gravitational influence, while if Mercury moved as slowly as Pluto, it would fall into the Sun due to insufficient velocity to maintain its orbit.
  • Mathematical expressions for centripetal acceleration and gravitational force are presented, indicating how velocity varies with distance from the Sun based on the gravitational force's dependence on distance.
  • There is a concern raised about the comprehensibility of the mathematical explanation for the original poster's question.

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Participants present various viewpoints and explanations, but there is no consensus on the clarity or usefulness of the mathematical reasoning for the original poster's understanding.

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The discussion includes assumptions about gravitational forces and their variation with distance, which may not be fully articulated. The mathematical steps and their implications are not resolved.

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why does mercury move with such velocity while pluto is much slower?
 
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Study Kepler's Laws of Planetary Motion, then it will make sense.
 
thank you!
 
If Pluto had as much velocity as Mercury does, it would be moving too fast for Sun's relatively weak gravity to bend its orbit into an ellipse; the fast-moving Pluto would just sail on by the solar system.

If Mercury moved as slowly as Pluto does, it would be moving too slow to stay in its elliptical orbit under the Sun's very strong pull, and would fall into the sun.

Indeed, (highly simplified) in the early years of the solar system, there would have been many bodies with many different velocities just like that. They flew off or collided with each other fell into the sun until the only ones left were the few we see that found stable orbits and stopped crashing into each other.
 
The centripetal acceleration is:
<br /> a = \frac{v^{2}}{r}<br />

If this acceleration is provided by a gravitational force $F(r)$ from the Sun, that somehow varies with distance, then:
<br /> F(r) = m a<br />


From here. by knowing how the force varies with distance, we can find how the velocity varies with distance:
<br /> v(r) = \sqrt{\frac{r F(r)}{m}}<br />
The velocity will not depend on distance iff:
<br /> F(r) = O(\frac{1}{r})<br />
If the gravitational force falls off with distance faster than this, then the orbital velocity of more distant bodies should decrease. On the other hand, if it falls off more slowly, then it will increase.
 
Dickfore said:
The centripetal acceleration is:
<br /> a = \frac{v^{2}}{r}<br />

If this acceleration is provided by a gravitational force $F(r)$ from the Sun, that somehow varies with distance, then:
<br /> F(r) = m a<br />


From here. by knowing how the force varies with distance, we can find how the velocity varies with distance:
<br /> v(r) = \sqrt{\frac{r F(r)}{m}}<br />
The velocity will not depend on distance iff:
<br /> F(r) = O(\frac{1}{r})<br />
If the gravitational force falls off with distance faster than this, then the orbital velocity of more distant bodies should decrease. On the other hand, if it falls off more slowly, then it will increase.

Judging by the question being asked, do you think this answer will be useful (comprehensible) to the OP? :rolleyes:
 

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