Unraveling the Mystery of the Sun's Composition and the Fate of Matter Within

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The discussion revolves around the composition of the Sun, particularly the prevalence of light elements compared to heavier elements, and the fate of regular matter that falls into the Sun. It encompasses theoretical considerations, observational phenomena, and speculative ideas regarding solar dynamics and the behavior of matter in stellar environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the Sun is primarily composed of light elements due to the abundance of these elements in the universe, with approximately 24% helium and 75% hydrogen available, leaving only 1% for heavier elements.
  • Others argue that while the Sun may seem to have fewer heavy elements compared to Earth, this is misleading, as Earth has a higher proportion of heavy elements due to its inability to retain light gases like hydrogen and helium.
  • One participant describes the process of regular matter falling into the Sun, suggesting it is heated and potentially turned into plasma, which may then join the material in the Sun's outer areas.
  • Another participant raises a question about the fate of detached solar prominences, inquiring whether they must fall back into the Sun or if they can take another path.
  • A later reply mentions that comets regularly fall into the Sun, being vaporized and ionized without triggering significant solar activity, and references peculiar stellar spectra attributed to stars consuming 'hot Jupiters'.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the composition of the Sun and the fate of matter that interacts with it. There is no consensus on the implications of these processes or the specifics of how they occur.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on assumptions about elemental abundance and stellar evolution, while the discussion includes unresolved questions about the energy dynamics of solar prominences and the effects of matter falling into the Sun.

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What happens to regular matter that falls into a sun?

Why is the sun made up primarily of light elements and the rest of the solar system isn't when a solar system evolves? (maybe with the gas giants it is but why isn't there a lot of heavy elements in the sun)
 
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moejoe15 said:
Why is the sun made up primarily of light elements and the rest of the solar system isn't when a solar system evolves? (maybe with the gas giants it is but why isn't there a lot of heavy elements in the sun)

The answer is that there's simply more light elements available in the universe. Since the universe is ~24% He and 75% H, you only get 1% left over for all the other elements! Now, it might seem like the sun has far fewer heavy elements than say Earth, but that's not true. Earth merely has a higher proportion of heavy element,s since it doesn't have any of the light gasses (H,He). Of course the reason the Earth doesn't have H,He is because its gravity is too weak to hold onto these light gasses, and if they ever were present on the planet they've since leaked out into space. The sun and gas giants don't have this problem, which is why we see them as primarily gaseous!
 
What happens to regular matter that falls into a sun?

It is heated up to high temperatures as it gets closer. If it enters the sun and can fall far enough into it, it will be turned into a plasma state. From there it probably joines the rest of the material in the outer areas of the sun and swirls around in the convection currents. It's possible it could continue to make its way further and further into the sun, but I really don't know.
 
IIRC, stuff falls into our sun on a regular basis. SOHO spots many sun-grazer and sun-impactor comets. Given the relative sizes, the impactor is vaporised, ionised and dispersed without a trace. So far, AFAIR, no impactor has triggered any anomalous solar activity, and certainly no 'Jupiter Bruises' per the Shoemaker-Levy-9 event...

Uh, I've read that some stars have odd spectra that have been attributed to them swallowing one or more 'hot jupiters'. They also seem to have higher spin / shorter 'days' than our sun...
 

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