Unravelling the Mystery of J & l Quantum Numbers

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differences and connections between the quantum numbers J and l, particularly in the context of rotational transitions in diatomic molecules. Participants explore the implications of these quantum numbers in relation to energy equations and angular momentum.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks about the difference between J and l, noting that J is referred to as the rotational quantum number in their lecture notes.
  • Another participant states that l specifically describes angular momentum, while J can describe either angular momentum or spin.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the relationship between the equations for energy associated with J and l, suggesting that if they are equivalent, then 2J should equal l(l+1), and seeks proof of this relationship.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of definitions and conventions in understanding the quantum numbers, pointing out that the energy difference formula provided relates to states with quantum number J and J-1.
  • One participant acknowledges the clarity brought by the explanation regarding the energy difference, indicating that it helped resolve their confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the relationship between J and l, as there is ongoing confusion and differing interpretations of the quantum numbers and their implications.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of J and l, as well as the assumptions underlying the energy equations. The relationship between the two quantum numbers remains unresolved.

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[SOLVED] Quantum Numbers

What is the difference between using J and l for quantum numbers? I have some lecture notes that aren't fully explained. It was talking about rotational transitions for diatomic molecules, and said the energy of a photon going from level J to level J-1 is [tex]\frac{Jh^2}{4\pi^2\mu(r^2)}[/tex]. Now, I remember from my quantum module last year, that [tex]E_{rot}=\frac{L^2}{2I}=\frac{l(l+1)h^2}{8\pi^2\mu(r^2)}[/tex]. I can see the resemblance between the two equations, but I just can't figure out the link between J and l!
 
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"l" quantum is number is specifically used to describe angular momentum.

"j" can either describe angular momentum or spin.
 
Yes, I found those descriptions online, but it doesn't help me with the link between them - we were told that J was the rotational quantum number of the upper level. If these two equations ARE the same, that means that 2J=l(l+1) - is this true? And if so, what are the steps to prove it?
 
Many different notations and conventions are used. So you must look up the definition given in your difference.



But you have not been careful here, [tex]\frac{Jh^2}{4\pi^2\mu(r^2)}[/tex] is the energy difference of states with QM# J and J-1, and the level energies are given according to: [tex]E_{rot}=\frac{{\vec{J}}^2}{2I}=\frac{J(J+1)h^2}{8\pi^2\mu( r^2)}[/tex]


So you must evaluate [tex]E_J - E_{J-1}[/tex]
 
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I hadn't realized it, but it's so simple when you put it like that. Thanks, that's helped a lot!
 
Ayame17 said:
I hadn't realized it, but it's so simple when you put it like that. Thanks, that's helped a lot!


hehe :biggrin:
 

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