UP regarding value of a field and its rate of change

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between the value of a field and its rate of change, drawing an analogy to the position and momentum of a particle in the context of the Uncertainty Principle. Participants explore whether the rate of change of a field can take negative values and how this relates to the concept of momentum.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the rate of change of a field can extend to negative values or if it is always non-negative.
  • Another participant asserts that the derivative of a field can indeed be negative, indicating that if it were always positive, the field value would either always grow or remain unchanged.
  • A participant raises a concern about the analogy between momentum and rate of change, suggesting that if momentum were always non-negative, the analogy would not hold.
  • It is noted that momentum is not always non-negative, with an example provided of two bodies moving in opposite directions, resulting in a total momentum of zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the rate of change of a field and its relationship to momentum. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these analogies.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not clarify the specific conditions under which the rate of change of a field may be considered, nor do they specify the definitions of the terms used in their analogies.

Suwailem
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I am just a hobbyist and try to learn for myself.

I understand that the value of a field and its rate of change play the same role of position and momentum of a particle with respect to Uncertainty Principle, i.e. both pairs are conjugate variables. My question is: does the rate of change of a field extends to the negative domain, so that it could take negative values, or is it always non-negative?
 
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Derivative of a field can be negative and it often is negative. If it were always positive (or zero), the field value would be always and forever growing (or not changing).
 
Thank you mvp_plate.
 
If the momentum is always positive (or non-negative), then the analogy of momentum with rate of change will not be one to one?
 
Suwailem said:
If the momentum is always positive (or non-negative), then the analogy of momentum with rate of change will not be one to one?

Momentum is not always non-negative. Consider two bodies of equal mass moving in opposite directions: their momenta will be of equal magnitude but opposite sign, so the total momentum of the system is zero.
 
Nugatory said:
Momentum is not always non-negative. Consider two bodies of equal mass moving in opposite directions: their momenta will be of equal magnitude but opposite sign, so the total momentum of the system is zero.

Thank you Nugatory.
 

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