US Fugitives Find Haven in Canada

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The discussion revolves around the extradition process between the United States and Canada, particularly focusing on how U.S. fugitives may evade extradition to face charges in the U.S. Participants explore the implications of Canadian law, the role of bureaucracy, and the motivations behind extradition decisions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the lengthy appeals process in Canada allows fugitives to evade extradition for extended periods, potentially enabling them to continue committing crimes.
  • Others argue that excessive bureaucracy and a lack of concern from authorities contribute to the delays in extradition.
  • One participant notes that only those with sufficient financial resources can effectively fight extradition, implying a socioeconomic dimension to the issue.
  • There is a viewpoint that the Canadian government applies an extraordinary rendition process to protect the rights of the accused, treating extradition requests uniformly without favoritism.
  • Another participant mentions historical issues with extradition, particularly regarding countries that refuse to extradite individuals facing severe penalties, such as the death penalty.

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Participants express differing views on the reasons behind the extradition process and the effectiveness of Canadian law in handling such requests. No consensus is reached regarding the motivations of the Canadian government or the implications of the extradition process.

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Participants reference the complexities of international law and the varying legal standards between countries, highlighting the potential for misunderstandings and differing interpretations of extradition requests.

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VANCOUVER, B.C. -- Fred Gilliland laughed at the short arm of the U.S. law. He would never be brought to justice, he boasted this year to a frequent visitor to his waterfront condo. He had Canada to thank for that.

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Apparently, the appeals process is so drawn-out in the back-logged Canadian courts, that anyone with half a will can escape extradition for years, giving them time to continue to commit crimes while in Canada and then just leave when it's finally time for them to face the heat.

The reason given by the Canadian government is that they want to get it absolutely right. That just doesn't make any sense to me. These fugitives are people that the US is asking back for indictment; they aren't being sent straight to sentencing. Isn't it the job of the trial itself to get it right? If the person is being charged and he isn't guilty, in theory he'll be found not guilty. What's the big deal about sending a person who isn't guilty to trial? How on Earth can someone appeal an indictment?
 
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So far as I can tell these things generally turn out this way because of excessive bureaucracy, they don't care, and/or it's being done as a passive protest against the country requesting extradition.
 
TheStatutoryApe said:
So far as I can tell these things generally turn out this way because of excessive bureaucracy, they don't care, and/or it's being done as a passive protest against the country requesting extradition.
My reading is that it is only done by those with enough money to hire lawyers to fight extradition. At least that is what the article states. There was no mention passive protest or massive bureaucracy.

Do you have another source?

It appears to me that the Canadian government does not just hand people when another country requests it. Not all countries have the same laws, so in order to protect the accused under Canadian law they have an extraordinary rendition process. They apply it equally it seems, by not showing favoritism to any country or group of countries.
 
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Skyhunter said:
My reading is that it is only done by those with enough money to hire lawyers to fight extradition. At least that is what the article states. There was no mention passive protest or massive bureaucracy.
Do you have another source?
It appears to me that the Canadian government does not just hand people when another country requests it. Not all countries have the same laws, so in order to protect the accused under Canadian law they have an extraordinary rendition process. They apply it equally it seems, by not showing favoritism to any country or group of countries.
Honestly I didn't read the article but I know that CA has had trouble with Mexico not wanting to extradite prisoners who may get the death penalty and certain countries have harboured "criminals" refusing extradition to the US because they did not agree with the charges.
 
They're not just going to give the US everyone they ask for.
 

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