US spy operation that manipulates social media

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a US spy operation aimed at manipulating social media, exploring its implications, potential countermeasures, and ethical considerations. Participants express concerns about the operation's impact on public opinion and the use of psychological operations (psy-ops) in military contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern that the operation could create a false consensus online and suppress dissenting opinions.
  • Others argue that while the operation is unsettling, it is less harmful compared to more violent military actions.
  • A participant notes the irony in the military's use of social media for psychological operations.
  • There are references to historical instances of social media manipulation by private citizens, suggesting that such tactics are not new.
  • Some participants speculate on the intended goals of social media manipulation, including the potential to influence public opinion.
  • Concerns are raised about the effectiveness of social media manipulation compared to traditional methods like leaflet drops.
  • Participants discuss the ethical implications of using psy-ops, questioning whether they are desirable or effective.
  • There is mention of existing countermeasures against such operations, but the risks of employing them against one's own government are highlighted.
  • Some express skepticism about the sophistication and practicality of the military's approach to social media manipulation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the ethical implications or effectiveness of the operation. Multiple competing views remain regarding the potential consequences and the appropriateness of using social media for psychological operations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the limitations of current countermeasures and the challenges of addressing state-level infiltration of social media. There are also unresolved questions about the specific goals and methods of the operation.

  • #31


so apparently, there is this guy named http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cass_Sunstein" who works for Obama.

sock puppets as a way to mold public opinion just may be his baby, as he's proposed it before:
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/01/15/sunstein
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1084585

his homepage is currently 404'd: http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/regulatory_affairs/default/

from wiki, he has some particularly disturbing views on free speech. apparently, he's a little put out that his views aren't getting the attention they deserve. maybe more attention is exactly what Sunstein needs. they say sunlight is the best disinfectant, so i will do my wee part here to put him under the magnifying glass.
First Amendment

In his book Democracy and the Problem of Free Speech Sunstein says there is a need to reformulate First Amendment law. He thinks that the current formulation, based on Justice Holmes' conception of free speech as a marketplace “disserves the aspirations of those who wrote America’s founding document.”[14] The purpose of this reformulation would be to “reinvigorate processes of democratic deliberation, by ensuring greater attention to public issues and greater diversity of views.”[15] He is concerned by the present “situation in which like-minded people speak or listen mostly to one another,”[16] and thinks that in “light of astonishing economic and technological changes, we must doubt whether, as interpreted, the constitutional guarantee of free speech is adequately serving democratic goals.”[17] He proposes a “New Deal for speech [that] would draw on Justice Brandeis' insistence on the role of free speech in promoting political deliberation and citizenship.”[15]

and apparently, covert propaganda isn't even legal in the US.
http://www.prwatch.org/node/7261
 
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  • #33


WhoWee said:
Don't forget the Mrs. (Cass Sunstein) ->>> Samantha Power.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/magazine/16Sunstein-t.html

yeah, i have her http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Problem_from_Hell" . still waiting to see how she turns out. whether marginally better than the old school, or just more of the same. so far tho, our intervention policy does not seem to deviate from the american interests only routine.
 
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