USAs involvement in the Middle East

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The discussion revolves around the motivations behind the USA's involvement in the Middle East, particularly in relation to oil, economic impacts, and geopolitical strategies. Participants explore various perspectives on the implications of military actions and the underlying reasons for American foreign policy in the region.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that securing oil is a primary motivation for US involvement, questioning the morality of prioritizing oil interests over environmental concerns.
  • Others suggest that the threat posed by figures like Saddam Hussein justifies military action, emphasizing the potential consequences of losing control over oil supplies.
  • There are claims that the financial costs of wars, such as the Iraq War, are often exaggerated, with some asserting that war spending can stimulate the economy through job creation.
  • Some participants challenge the notion that the US is primarily after Middle Eastern oil, noting that a significant portion of US oil comes from other regions.
  • A viewpoint is presented that US actions in the Middle East are driven by a desire to contain perceived threats and influence political developments, rather than purely for economic gain.
  • Concerns are raised about the long-term consequences of US military actions, including the potential for increased extremism and destabilization in the region.
  • Some participants express strong support for the US military presence, viewing it as necessary for national security, while others criticize this stance as unpatriotic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions, with no clear consensus on the motivations for US involvement in the Middle East. Disagreements persist regarding the significance of oil, the economic impact of military actions, and the effectiveness of US foreign policy.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions about the motivations behind US actions, the economic implications of war spending, and the relationship between military presence and regional stability. These assumptions remain unresolved and are subject to differing interpretations.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring geopolitical strategies, economic implications of military actions, and the complexities of foreign policy in the context of the Middle East.

  • #31
kasse said:
We know it wasn't true, but we cannot know it was a LIE! That's two different things. I doubt the leaders would lie to the American people.
Ah, Leaders don't lie? How charming and trusting. Bush and Cheney were never photographed with fewer than a gazillion flags backing them, so they always told the truth? Let's come back to reality. The aluminum-tube story was debunked readily, and the Niger yellow-cake story, too. Bush and Cheney both knew that those stories were lies, and when Joe Wilson debunked the yellow-cake story, they outed his wife. I don't know how many in-country assets were killed when Plame's cover was blown or how many years it might take to replace those capabilities - that will forever remain classified, but you should know that Bush-Cheney did untold damage to our intelligence communities with their petty retribution. In case you don't know, a NOC (like Plame) can be captured, tortured, put to death, etc by any foreign government with NO diplomatic immunity, no official cover, nothing. Our government will not even acknowledge their existence in the intelligence community. She held one of the most dangerous and most highly-regarded positions in the CIA and Bush and Cheney outed her for spite after Joe Wilson proved that their claims of Irag purchases of yellow-cake were entirely fabricated. Do you get your "facts" from Rush Limbaugh? Please get your facts straight.
 
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  • #32
kasse said:
We know it wasn't true, but we cannot know it was a LIE! That's two different things. I doubt the leaders would lie to the American people.

I try very hard to stay out of this Politics morass, but this was linked from GD, and I got this far... sigh...


Ask Dick Army if Dick Cheney lied.

http://newsbusters.org/forums/internal-affairs/question-about-cheney-armey-newsbusters-24520
 
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  • #33
Are Bilderberg involved in this scam?
 
  • #34
kasse said:
Are Bilderberg involved in this scam?
You are flailing at this point and your credibility is zero. Want to shoot for less than zero? If you have any evidence that Bush's "War on Terror" was actually directed at terrorists, trot it out now because nobody apart from birthers and hard-core WMD conspiracists will give you any support.
 
  • #35
Has the USA as a nation made money asa a result of the Gulf war and the Iraq war?
 
  • #36
I don't get where this is going. Locked.
 
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