Using BEC to Propel a Solar Sail - What Do You Think?

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Yum Yum
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Bec Solar Solar sail
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of using Bose-Einstein Condensates (BEC) to propel a solar sail, exploring the implications of light's behavior when passing through a BEC compared to traditional light propulsion methods. Participants are examining theoretical aspects of momentum transfer and efficiency in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces the idea of using BEC to move a solar sail, questioning whether the acceleration from light passing through BEC would be more effective than conventional light propulsion.
  • Another participant suggests that using BEC for propulsion would be less efficient than an absorbing body and less efficient than a solar sail, arguing that the momentum gained would be less than in the case of light reflection.
  • A participant questions whether light traveling at a constant speed would have a greater effect on the sail than light slowed by BEC.
  • In response, another participant explains the mechanics of momentum transfer in solar sails, detailing how reflected light contributes to momentum gain and comparing it to absorption scenarios, including the implications of using BEC.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the efficiency and effectiveness of using BEC for solar sail propulsion compared to traditional methods. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the mechanics involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various scenarios of light interaction with solar sails, including reflection and absorption, but do not reach a consensus on the implications of using BEC.

Yum Yum
Messages
4
Reaction score
0
This is kind of a weird question, so I'll just throw it out there. So I was talking to my mate about BEC a couple of weeks ago and he proposed an interesting idea. I was telling him how BEC was used to slow down light to 38mph, what he suggested was using this concept to move a solar sail. So my question is, would the acceleration gained by light passing through the BEC have a greater impact on the solar sail than the idea of light propulsion already does? I have no idea about things on this kind of level so it would be interesting to know people's opinions on this as BEC is interesting enough as it is.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Yum Yum said:
This is kind of a weird question, so I'll just throw it out there. So I was talking to my mate about BEC a couple of weeks ago and he proposed an interesting idea. I was telling him how BEC was used to slow down light to 38mph, what he suggested was using this concept to move a solar sail. So my question is, would the acceleration gained by light passing through the BEC have a greater impact on the solar sail than the idea of light propulsion already does? I have no idea about things on this kind of level so it would be interesting to know people's opinions on this as BEC is interesting enough as it is.
That way of moving a solar sail would be less efficient than an absorbing body, which is, in turn, less efficient than a solar sail: in the first case the body acquire the light's momentum, in the second, the double of it. With a BEC, it would acquire almost the momentum of the first case.
 
Hmm, so light traveling at a constant speed would have a greater effect on the sail than light being slowed down by the BEC?
 
Yum Yum said:
Hmm, so light traveling at a constant speed would have a greater effect on the sail than light being slowed down by the BEC?
No, the problem is different: with a solar sail you have light reflected back from the sail, so the momentum gained from the sail is 2p where p is the initial light's momentum: since light is reflected, its momentum change from +p to -p, ; for the momentum conservation's law, the total momentum must be the same before and after reflection, so the sail must acquire a momentum p:

p(sail) + p(light after reflection) = light's momentum before reflection = p
that is:
p(sail) + (-p) = p --> p(sail) = 2p.

In the case of total light's absorption:

p(sail) + p(light after absorption) = light's momentum before absorption = p
that is:
p(sail) + 0 = p --> p(sail) = p

In the case of partial light's absorption, without reflection, so that the other (non absorbed) part of light goes through the semi-transparent body without interacting with it, we have:

p(body) + p(light after partial interaction) = p
that is:
p(body) + x*p = p, where 0 < x < 1 --> p(body) = p(1 - x) < p.

The case you propose, with BEC, should be considered as the last I wrote.

You can yourself compute the case of partial absorption and partial reflection.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
4K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
8K
Replies
5
Views
5K
  • · Replies 46 ·
2
Replies
46
Views
6K
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K