Using canonical transform to show area preserving

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that a certain Poincaré map is area preserving for all values of r. The problem involves analyzing a nonlinear transformation represented by a matrix that includes a term dependent on the variables x and y.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to analyze the determinant of the transformation matrix to determine if the map is area preserving. There is a suggestion to consider the Jacobian of the transformation due to the nonlinearity introduced by the term I_n.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the problem, specifically regarding the use of the Jacobian and the calculation of partial derivatives. There is an acknowledgment of the tedious nature of the calculations involved.

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The discussion highlights the complexity introduced by the nonlinear term I_n, which is defined as x_n^2 + y_n^2. This aspect raises questions about the assumptions made in the initial approach to proving area preservation.

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Homework Statement


Given a certain poincare map, show that it is area preserving for all values of r

Homework Equations


\binom{x_{n+1}}{y_{n+1}}=\begin{pmatrix}e^{r} & 0 \\ 0 & e^{-r} \end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}cos(\phi+I_{n}) & -sin(\phi+I_{n}) \\ sin(\phi+I_{n}) & cos(\phi+I_{n}) \end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}x_{n}\\ y_{n} \end{pmatrix}

where
I_{n}=x_{n}^2+y_{n}^2

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to prove that the determinant \binom{x_{n+1}}{y_{n+1}}=\begin{pmatrix}e^{r} & 0 \\ 0 & e^{-r} \end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}cos(\phi+I_{n}) & -sin(\phi+I_{n}) \\ sin(\phi+I_{n}) & cos(\phi+I_{n}) \end{pmatrix} is equal to 1, I believe that is wrong since the I in the matrix is X^2+Y^2, so I was wondering should i use the Poisson bracket method?
 
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The presence of ##I_n## makes the map nonlinear, so you can't just look at the determinant of the map to see if it is area preserving.

Think of the map as being in the form $$x_{n+1} = f(x_n,y_n)$$ $$y_{n+1} = g(x_n,y_n)$$
Then consider the Jacobian of this transformation.
See for example http://www.math.harvard.edu/archive/118r_spring_05/handouts/henon.pdf
 
Ahhh okay, so then i just do the partial of each entry in the matrix to check if the det=1?
 
Yes. It's a little tedious.
 

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