Using Dirac Delta Function to Determine Point Mass Density

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The discussion centers around the application of the Dirac Delta function in determining the density of a point mass. Participants explore how to recognize situations suitable for using the Dirac Delta function and its implications in physics problems, particularly in relation to mass density and impulse forces.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses curiosity about the Dirac Delta function and its practical applications, specifically in determining the density of a point mass.
  • Another participant mentions the use of the Dirac Delta function and Dirac Comb in approximating light pulses, particularly in contexts involving Fourier analysis.
  • A detailed explanation is provided regarding the density of a point mass, noting that it is zero everywhere except at the location of the mass, where it is infinite. This leads to the conclusion that the density can be represented as proportional to the 3D Dirac Delta function.
  • A participant shares a scenario involving a mass at rest being struck by a hammer, illustrating how the Dirac Delta function can represent instantaneous forces and impulses in equations of motion.

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Participants generally agree on the applicability of the Dirac Delta function to describe point mass density and instantaneous forces, but there is no explicit consensus on all aspects of its use or implications.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of the Dirac Delta function and its relationship to physical concepts like mass density and impulse, but these assumptions are not universally accepted or resolved within the thread.

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Readers interested in mathematical physics, particularly those exploring concepts of distributions, point masses, and impulse forces in mechanics, may find this discussion relevant.

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I'm curious about the use of the Dirac Delta function. I am familiar with the function itself, but have never really seen in used in actual problems. The only problems I've worked with the function are those specifically about the function (ie. Evaluate the Dirac Delta function at x=3).

My question is, how do I recognize the situation in which I can use the Dirac Delta function and how do I go about using it?

Is it possible to use it to determine the density of a "point mass"? How would this be done?

Thanks!
 
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In some contexts, the Dirac Delta function and the Dirac Comb can be used to approximate light pulses. Perhaps most often where Fourier analysis is applicable.
 
vasel said:
I'm curious about the use of the Dirac Delta function. I am familiar with the function itself, but have never really seen in used in actual problems. The only problems I've worked with the function are those specifically about the function (ie. Evaluate the Dirac Delta function at x=3).

My question is, how do I recognize the situation in which I can use the Dirac Delta function and how do I go about using it?

Is it possible to use it to determine the density of a "point mass"? How would this be done?

Thanks!

The density of a point mass is an excellent example of the applicability of the Dirac Delta distribution. Let's take a look and see why:

(1) Let's assume there is a point mass [itex]m[/itex] located at [itex]\textbf{r}=\textbf{a}[/itex], what is the total mass enclosed by any volume containing the point [itex]\textbf{r}=\textbf{a}[/itex]? What is the total mss enclosed by any volume not containing the point [itex]\textbf{r}=\textbf{a}[/itex]?

(2) Now, take a look at the definition of localized volume mass density; [tex]\rho(\textbf{r})=\frac{dm(\textbf{r})}{d^3 r}[/itex]... in words, localized volume mass density at any given point in space is the mass enclosed by an infinitesimally small volume centered at that point, divided by the volume. This definition should be fairly familiar to you. <br /> <br /> (3) Let's see how this definition applies to a point mass... clearly, the mass density will be zero everywhere except at [itex]\textbf{r}=\textbf{a}[/itex]. There will be a finite amount of mass at that point ([itex]dm[/itex] is finite), but the volume of a point is zero and division by zero leads an indefinite result. <br /> <br /> So, the density of a point mass is zero everywhere except at its location, where it is infinite (indefinite). Yet, if you integrate the density (add up all the little bits of mass) over any region enclosing [itex]\textbf{r}=\textbf{a}[/itex], you must get the mass of the particle, [itex]m[/itex]...a finite result! If you integrate the density over any region not enclosing <br /> [itex]\textbf{r}=\textbf{a}[/itex], you will get zero (since there is no mass in that region). Compare these properties to the properties that define the Dirac Delta function, and you should deduce that the density of a point mass is proportional to the 3D- Dirac Delta function. Moreover, the constant of proportionality must be the mass of the point particle: [itex]\rho(\textbf{r})=m\delta^3<br /> (\textbf{r}-\textbf{a})[/itex].[/tex]
 
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Gab, that was a very clear and enlightening example. This concept makes a lot more sense to me now that I can see how it can actually be worked into a problem.

Thanks so much for your help!

- vasel
 
Suppose a mass M is at rest at the origin. At time t = 0, I hit it sharply with a hammer, delivering an impulse P. What is the position of the of the mass as a function of time? One way to solve this is to write the force acting on the mass as

[tex]F(t) = P \delta(t) = Ma[/tex]

Integrating,

[tex]P \int \delta(t) dt = Mv[/tex]

[tex]P \theta(t) = Mv[/tex] where [tex]\theta[/tex] is the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaviside_step_function" .

[tex]x = \frac{P}{M}t[/tex] for [tex]t > 0[/tex], and [tex]x = 0[/tex] for [tex]t <= 0[/tex].

You don't need delta functions to do this, but this shows how delta functions are able to measure "instantaneous" or "infinitesimal" things like sharp impulses and point masses.
 
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