Using e to determine population growth?

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The discussion revolves around a population growth problem where a population starts at 10,000 in 1900 and doubles every 50 years. Participants are exploring how to calculate the population in 2000 using different mathematical approaches.

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  • Some participants attempt to use the exponential growth equation Q(time) = Q(initial)*e(rate)(time) but question its suitability for this specific problem. Others suggest using a simpler doubling method instead.

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Participants are actively discussing the appropriateness of using the exponential formula versus a discrete doubling approach. Some have provided alternative methods and questioned the assumptions behind the use of e in this context.

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There is an emphasis on the constraints of the problem, such as the requirement of no calculators and the nature of population growth being discrete rather than continuous.

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Homework Statement



A population started at 10,000 in 1900. The population doubles every 50 years. What was the population in 2000?


Homework Equations



Q(time) = Q(initial)*e(rate)(time)

The Attempt at a Solution


I was able to come up with the answer using the standard growth equation, but got the wrong answer with the given equation. Am I doing anything wrong or is the equation not suitable for this problem?
 
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moonman239 said:

Homework Statement



A population started at 10,000 in 1900. The population doubles every 50 years. What was the population in 2000?


Homework Equations



Q(time) = Q(initial)*e(rate)(time)

The Attempt at a Solution


I was able to come up with the answer using the standard growth equation, but got the wrong answer with the given equation. Am I doing anything wrong or is the equation not suitable for this problem?

I don't think you're supposed to use the exponential equation. If the population was 10,000 in 1900 and it doubles every 50 years, what was it in 1950? (No calculator allowed:-p)
What was it in 2000?
 
I wouldn't use e. you could simply use. Q=10000(2)^(x/50)
 
In fact, because 2000= 1900+ 50+ 50, no "formula" is necessary. In 50 years the population doubles. If it was 10000 in 1900, what was it in 1950, 50 years later? What was it in 2000, another 50 years later?

(Should have read the other posts more carefully. I see now that Mark44 already said that.)

If you really want to use the exponential formula you give, you have to be determine what "rate" is. Since the population doubles in 50 years, you must have e^{(rate)(50)}= 2 so that (rate)(50)= ln(2) and rate= ln(2)/50. The population after t years is 10000e^{ln(2)t/50}.

Note that this us the same as 10000(e^{ln(2)})^{t/50} and since e^{ln(2)}= 2 that is the same as 10000(2^{t/50}.
 
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moonman239 said:

Homework Statement



A population started at 10,000 in 1900. The population doubles every 50 years. What was the population in 2000?


Homework Equations



Q(time) = Q(initial)*e(rate)(time)

The Attempt at a Solution


I was able to come up with the answer using the standard growth equation, but got the wrong answer with the given equation. Am I doing anything wrong or is the equation not suitable for this problem?

e is not involved. e is only involved during continuous growth.
 
It is very common to approximate discrete changes with continuous models.
 
HallsofIvy said:
It is very common to approximate discrete changes with continuous models.

But in this case the approximation is innaccurate. It is also harder, when one can just multiply by ##2^n##
 

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