Using feedback in quantum measurements

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of feedback in quantum measurements, specifically how to apply a unitary operator based on measurement results to prepare a quantum system in a desired final state. Participants explore the implications of efficient measurements, the nature of post-measurement states, and the definition of unitary operators in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a method to define a unitary operator $$U_m$$ that allows for the preparation of a desired final state after measurement, questioning how to construct this operator.
  • Another participant questions whether the measurement needs to be efficient and whether the post-measurement states can be non-orthogonal, suggesting a permutation-based approach for unitary operations.
  • Clarifications are sought regarding the representation of measurement operators, with some participants expressing confusion over the notation used for these operators.
  • There is a suggestion that the permutations defined could send states corresponding to measurement results to a specific state, with a proposal to re-index basis vectors to achieve this.
  • One participant reflects on the implications of defining a unitary operator based on measurement results and considers the relationship between the operators involved.
  • A later reply indicates a resolution of confusion, suggesting that a unitary operator can be found such that it transforms the pure state into the desired post-measurement state.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of efficiency in measurements and the nature of post-measurement states. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact formulation and implications of the unitary operators.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the measurement operators and the definitions of the states involved, as well as unresolved mathematical steps in the proposed approaches.

Johny Boy
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If we consider an efficient measurement performed on a system in a pure state. How would we use feedback (by applying to the system a unitary operator that depends upon the measurement result), to prepare the system in the same final state for every outcome of the measurement (this can be done for any efficient measurement).

So I think the idea is that say we start with a pure state $$\rho = | \psi \rangle \langle \psi|$$ and some desired final state after measurement $$\tilde{\rho}_n = \frac{A_n \rho A_n^{\dagger}}{p_n} = \frac{A_n | \psi \rangle \langle \psi | A_n ^{\dagger}}{p_n},$$ then we seek a unitary operator $$U_m$$ such that if $$m \neq n$$ then $$U_m A_m = A_n$$ thus resulting in $$\tilde{\rho}_m = \frac{U_mA_m | \psi \rangle \langle \psi | A_m^{\dagger}U^{\dagger}}{p_m} = \frac{A_n | \psi \rangle \langle \psi | A_n^{\dagger}}{p_n} = \tilde{\rho}_n.$$ I'm having difficulty thinking of how we could define this unitary operator $$U_m$$?
 
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Does it have to be efficient? Can the post-measurement states be non-orthogonal?

If not, and there are ##N## possible measurement results, then just use a permutation like ##P = \sum_k^N | A_k \rangle \langle A_{k+1 \pmod{N}}|##. Then a valid corrective unitary operation is ##U_m = P^{m} = \sum_k^N | A_k \rangle \langle A_{k+m \pmod{N}}|##.
 
Strilanc said:
Does it have to be efficient? Can the post-measurement states be non-orthogonal?

If not, and there are ##N## possible measurement results, then just use a permutation like ##P = \sum_k^N | A_k \rangle \langle A_{k+1 \pmod{N}}|##. Then a valid corrective unitary operation is ##U_m = P^{m} = \sum_k^N | A_k \rangle \langle A_{k+m \pmod{N}}|##.
Thanks for your response. There is no restriction on the post-measurement states, but it has to be efficient.
I'm not really following what you are doing, ##A_n## as I have it is a measurement operator, yet you have it as a ket and a bra? Could you please elaborate a bit on your idea.
 
Johny Boy said:
Thanks for your response. There is no restriction on the post-measurement states, but it has to be efficient.
I'm not really following what you are doing, ##A_n## as I have it is a measurement operator, yet you have it as a ket and a bra? Could you please elaborate a bit on your idea.

Well, I assumed that each measurement result corresponded to a particular vector in a basis (specifically the eigenbasis of the Hermitian operator defining the measurement). I used ##A## to refer to these vectors. And I know that there are valid easily-written unitary operations that simply permute the vectors of a basis, so I defined the operation that way.
 
Strilanc said:
Well, I assumed that each measurement result corresponded to a particular vector in a basis (specifically the eigenbasis of the Hermitian operator defining the measurement). I used ##A## to refer to these vectors. And I know that there are valid easily-written unitary operations that simply permute the vectors of a basis, so I defined the operation that way.
Okay but how would this imply that $u_m A_m | \psi \rangle = A_n | \psi \rangle$? Are you famaliar with the fundamental theorem of quantum measurements? I think there might be a simpler way.
 
Johny Boy said:
Okay but how would this imply that $u_m A_m | \psi \rangle = A_n | \psi \rangle$? Are you famaliar with the fundamental theorem of quantum measurements? I think there might be a simpler way.

The permutations I defined have ##P^m## send ##a_m## to ##a_0## for all ##m##, where ##a_m## is the state of the system given that you measured ##A_m##. To make it work for ##a_{n \neq 0}##, just re-index the basis vectors.
 
Strilanc said:
The permutations I defined have ##P^m## send ##a_m## to ##a_0## for all ##m##, where ##a_m## is the state of the system given that you measured ##A_m##. To make it work for ##a_{n \neq 0}##, just re-index the basis vectors.

I think I confused myself...
I think the statement implies something else, that given a state ##\rho = | \psi \rangle \langle \psi|## we could define a unitary operator ##U_m## (which depends on measurement result $m$ such that) such that for every ##\tilde{\rho}_m = \frac{A_m \rho A^{\dagger}_{m}}{p_m}## we have ##U_m \rho U^{\dagger}_{m} = \tilde{\rho}_{m}##. An idea would be to consider the operator ##V_m := U_{m}^{\dagger}A_m## but I'm not sure we can
definitively state that this is a unitary operator?
 
Johny Boy said:
I think I confused myself...
I think the statement implies something else, that given a state ##\rho = | \psi \rangle \langle \psi|## we could define a unitary operator ##U_m## (which depends on measurement result $m$ such that) such that for every ##\tilde{\rho}_m = \frac{A_m \rho A^{\dagger}_{m}}{p_m}## we have ##U_m \rho U^{\dagger}_{m} = \tilde{\rho}_{m}##. An idea would be to consider the operator ##V_m := U_{m}^{\dagger}A_m## but I'm not sure we can
definitively state that this is a unitary operator?

I managed to resolve it I think. The idea is that since ##\rho## is pure, we can find a unitary operator such that ##U_n | \psi \rangle = A_n | \psi \rangle ## the result follows easily from that observation.
 

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