Using Induction to Prove 2^n >= n+1 for Natural Numbers

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The discussion revolves around proving the inequality \(2^n \geq n+1\) for natural numbers \(n\) using mathematical induction. Participants are exploring the structure of the proof and the validity of the induction hypothesis.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the validity of the induction hypothesis and the steps needed to progress from \(2^k \geq k+1\) to \(2^{k+1} \geq (k+1)+1\). There are questions about how to manipulate the expressions and what comparisons can be made to support the proof.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the induction process, with participants providing insights and suggestions on how to approach the next steps. Some guidance has been offered regarding the rewriting of expressions, but no consensus has been reached on the final conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of proving the statement for all natural numbers and are questioning the assumptions and definitions involved in the induction process.

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1. Homework Statement

Prove that for each [tex]n \in N[/tex] (aka natural numbers), [tex]2^n \geq n+1[/tex]



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3. The Attempt at a Solution

Let the proposition P(n) be "[tex]2^n \geq n+1[/tex]"

Clearly P(n) is true for n=1, [tex]2^1 \geq 1+1[/tex].

We suppose P(k) is true, i.e., supposing that [tex]2^k \geq k+1[/tex] is true, then,

[tex]2^{k+1} \geq (k+1)+1[/tex]

I think it can then be rewritten as [tex]2.2^{k} \geq 2.(k+1)[/tex]. Does anyone know the next step? I'm not sure what to do from here...

Thanks!
 
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well, your induction hypothesis is:

[tex]2^k\geq k+1[/tex]

now

[tex]2^{k+1}=2*2^k\geq 2(k+1)=2k+2>(k+1)+1[/tex]
 
roam said:
1. Homework Statement

Prove that for each [tex]n \in N[/tex] (aka natural numbers), [tex]2^n \geq n+1[/tex]


2. Homework Equations


3. The Attempt at a Solution

Let the proposition P(n) be "[tex]2^n \geq n+1[/tex]"

Clearly P(n) is true for n=1, [tex]2^1 \geq 1+1[/tex].

We suppose P(k) is true, i.e., supposing that [tex]2^k \geq k+1[/tex] is true, then,

[tex]2^{k+1} \geq (k+1)+1[/tex]
Omit the line above, since that's where you want to end up. Just say:
suppose P(k) is true, i.e., that [tex]2^k \geq k+1[/tex]
Keep it in the back of your mind where you want to go, but work toward that goal.
roam said:
I think it can then be rewritten as [tex]2.2^{k} \geq 2.(k+1)[/tex]. Does anyone know the next step? I'm not sure what to do from here...
So you have 2k + 1 = 2 * 2k >= 2 * (k + 1) = 2k + 2

How does that last expression compare with k + 2? (I.e., (k + 1) + 1)
 
Mark44 said:
Omit the line above, since that's where you want to end up. Just say:
suppose P(k) is true, i.e., that [tex]2^k \geq k+1[/tex]
Keep it in the back of your mind where you want to go, but work toward that goal.

So you have 2k + 1 = 2 * 2k >= 2 * (k + 1) = 2k + 2

How does that last expression compare with k + 2? (I.e., (k + 1) + 1)

So, it is [tex]2^{k+1} = 2.2^k \geq 2.(k+1)[/tex]

[tex]2(k+1) = (k+1)+(k+1) \geq (k+1)+1[/tex]

I'm a little confused, how should we make the conclusion?
Since (k+1)+1 is supposed to be less than or equal to [tex]2^{k+1} (= 2.2^k)[/tex], and now we know it is less than or equal to 2.(k+1). Therefore...
 
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roam said:
So, it is [tex]2^{k+1} = 2.2^k \geq 2.(k+1)[/tex]

[tex]2(k+1) = (k+1)+(k+1) \geq (k+1)+1[/tex]
No, "(k+1)+(k+1)" is not the point. As Mark44 said before, 2(k+1)= 2k+ 2. Now, since k is a positive integer, it is certainly true that 2k> k (you might want to do another induction to prove that formally) so 2k+ 2> k+ 2= (k+1)+ 1.

I'm a little confused, how should we make the conclusion?
Since (k+1)+1 is supposed to be less than or equal to [tex]2^{k+1} (= 2.2^k)[/tex], and now we know it is less than or equal to 2.(k+1). Therefore...
 

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