Using Orbital Energy to Calculate Velocity

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The discussion focuses on calculating velocity using orbital energy principles, where the user calculates initial and final potential energies, leading to a change in kinetic energy. However, the final velocity calculated appears excessively high, prompting questions about potential errors in the calculations. Key issues identified include inconsistent units and a significant discrepancy in the change in potential energy, which is noted to be 103 times too high. Additionally, concerns about the validity of the problem arise, particularly regarding the inconsistency between energy conservation and angular momentum conservation. Accurate unit conversion and careful calculation are emphasized as critical for resolving these issues.
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Homework Statement
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change Ek + change Ep =0, Ek=1/2mv^2, Ep=-GMm/r
So what I did first was calculate the initial and final potential energies with Epi=-9.433*10^11 m and Epf = -1.503*10^12 m.

Then I found change in potential energy, -5.597*10^11 m.

Using this I determined the change in kinetic energy, 5.597*10^11. I then added this change to the initial kinetic energy I calculated (103.68 m) to get a final Ek of 5.597*10^11 m.

Then I calculated the final velocity, Ekm=v^2*0.5, finding that v=1058017, which is obviously way higher than the right answer.

Where am I going wrong here? Is there some non conservative work or something?
 

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JoeyBob said:
Homework Statement:: See attached picture
Relevant Equations:: change Ek + change Ep =0, Ek=1/2mv^2, Ep=-GMm/r

So what I did first was calculate the initial and final potential energies with Epi=-9.433*10^11 m and Epf = -1.503*10^12 m.

Then I found change in potential energy, -5.597*10^11 m.

Using this I determined the change in kinetic energy, 5.597*10^11. I then added this change to the initial kinetic energy I calculated (103.68 m) to get a final Ek of 5.597*10^11 m.

Then I calculated the final velocity, Ekm=v^2*0.5, finding that v=1058017, which is obviously way higher than the right answer.

Where am I going wrong here? Is there some non conservative work or something?
Please post all your working, just as algebra, no plugged in values. This will make it much easier to see where the mistake is, unless it is purely arithmetic, which is unlikely.
 
Your units are all over the place. Plugging in r in km and v in km/s means you get ΔEp = -5.597*1011m mJ and Eki = 103.68m MJ. (I haven't checked the calculations, but the numbers look in the right ballpark.) It is much better to convert everything to SI units (and back at the end if necessary), and INCLUDE THE UNITS AT EACH STAGE OF THE CALCULATION. Can never stress too much the importance of units.
 
JoeyBob said:
Homework Statement:: See attached picture
Relevant Equations:: change Ek + change Ep =0, Ek=1/2mv^2, Ep=-GMm/r

Where am I going wrong here? Is there some non conservative work or something?
Your change in potential energy is 103 times too high. What does this suggest to you?

On edit: I am questioning the validity of this problem. The perigee speed ##v_p##, obtained from the given parameters using energy conservation, is inconsistent with conservation of angular momentum. Angular momentum conservation (per unit mass) requires that ##v_1 r_1\sin\theta=v_p r_p##. Solving for ##\sin\theta## returns a value greater than 1 which is impossible if my calculation is correct.
 
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