Using the conservation of energy find speed

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The problem involves a spring with a force constant of 600 N/m that is compressed by 0.30 m, with a 5.0 kg mass placed on top. The mass is released, and the discussion centers on determining the speed of the mass as it moves upward after being released, while considering the conservation of energy principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of energy, questioning whether gravitational potential energy should be included in the calculations. There is exploration of how the spring's compression changes as the mass moves upward.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided guidance on considering both gravitational and spring potential energies in the energy conservation equation. There is acknowledgment of the need to clarify the spring's compression at different positions and the inclusion of gravitational potential energy in the calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on the specific scenario of the mass moving up 0.20 m from the compressed position, and the discussion reflects on the implications of this movement on the energy calculations.

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Homework Statement


A spring, having a force constant of 6.0x102 N/m, is held in a vertical position and compressed 0.30m. A 5.0 kg mass is then placed on top of the spring. THe mass is then releases. Neglecting air resistance and the mass of the spring

The Attempt at a Solution



Ek1 = Ek2
1/2kx^2 = 1/2kx^2 + 1/2mv^2
1/2(600N/m)(0.3m)^2 = 1/2(600N/m)(0.2m)^2 + 1/2(5 kg)v^2
27 J - 12 J = (2.5 kg)v^2
2.45 m/s=V

Im confused if we need to add any sort of gravitational potential energy to the ball?
 
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Lolagoeslala said:

Homework Statement


A spring, having a force constant of 6.0x102 N/m, is held in a vertical position and compressed 0.30m. A 5.0 kg mass is then placed on top of the spring. THe mass is then releases. Neglecting air resistance and the mass of the spring

The Attempt at a Solution



Ek1 = Ek2
1/2kx^2 = 1/2kx^2 + 1/2mv^2
1/2(600N/m)(0.3m)^2 = 1/2(600N/m)(0.2m)^2 + 1/2(5 kg)v^2
27 J - 12 J = (2.5 kg)v^2
2.45 m/s=V

Im confused if we need to add any sort of gravitational potential energy to the ball?
You need to consider both gravitational and spring potential energies and kinetic energy. Are you trying to determine the speed when the mass leaves the spring?
 
PhanthomJay said:
You need to consider both gravitational and spring potential energies and kinetic energy. Are you trying to determine the speed when the mass leaves the spring?

yes, the velocity when it has moved up 0.20 m from the compressed position on the spring.
 
When it moves up 0.2 m, the spring is now compressed by how much? Don't forget the gravitational PE.
 
PhanthomJay said:
When it moves up 0.2 m, the spring is now compressed by how much? Don't forget the gravitational PE.

umm... 0.1?
 
PhanthomJay said:
Yes.

so
Ek1 = Ek2
1/2kx^2 = 1/2kx^2 + 1/2mv^2
1/2(600N/m)(0.3m)^2 = 1/2(600N/m)(0.1m)^2 + 1/2(5 kg)v^2
27 J - 3 J = (2.5 kg)v^2
3.098 m/s=V
 
What happened to the gravitational potential energy term you were inquiring about??
 
PhanthomJay said:
What happened to the gravitational potential energy term you were inquiring about??

umm what do you mean?
 
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PhanthomJay said:
What happened to the gravitational potential energy term you were inquiring about??

Ek1 = Ek2
1/2kx^2 = 1/2kx^2 + 1/2mv^2
1/2(600N/m)(0.3m)^2 = 1/2(600N/m)(0.2m)^2 + 1/2(5 kg)v^2 + (5 kg)(9.8 m/s^2)(0.2 m)
27 J - 3 J - 9.8 J= (2.5 kg)v^2
2.38 m/s=V
 
  • #12
phanthomjay said:
looks good now!

thanks :d
 
  • #13
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  • #14
Tupac said:
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? who r u?
 

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