UWisc vs UMN for math undergraduate

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The discussion centers around the decision-making process for an international student choosing between the University of Wisconsin-Madison (UWisc) and the University of Minnesota-Twin Cities (UMN) for an undergraduate math major. Key considerations include financial implications, university prestige, and future graduate school applications.

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  • One participant notes that UWisc has a higher comprehensive ranking, but UMN offers lower tuition for international students, making it more financially viable for their family.
  • Another participant emphasizes that both universities are good options and suggests choosing the cheaper one while focusing on undergraduate involvement in research and other activities to strengthen graduate school applications.
  • A participant expresses concern about potential disadvantages in graduate applications due to UWisc's prestige compared to UMN, while another counters that graduate school admissions depend more on individual performance than on undergraduate institution prestige.
  • One participant suggests visiting both campuses to assess the differences, while expressing a preference for UWisc due to the town's appeal, but acknowledges financial constraints.
  • A current undergraduate at UWisc mentions the supportive math department and opportunities for undergraduate research, indicating a belief that UWisc may provide a better overall college experience.

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Participants express differing opinions on the importance of university prestige versus financial considerations. While some advocate for choosing the more affordable option, others highlight the potential benefits of attending UWisc. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which choice is ultimately better for graduate school prospects.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on the impact of undergraduate institution choice on graduate school admissions, and there are varying assumptions about the importance of financial considerations versus academic reputation.

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I am an international student from China.
Now I have got admitted by University of Wisconsin-Madison and University of Minnesota-Twin Cities. Both are math majors.

The math rankings of the two universities are similar but the comprehensive ranking of UWisc is much higher. UMN's advantage is the expense. The tuition for intl students is cheap this year.So the total expense of UMN is about 6000 dollars/year less than that of UWisc.

My family could exatly afford UMN while will be in debt if I attend UWisc.

I prefer UMN but I am always afraid of the grad application four years later. UWisc's prestige and ranking are better so if I go to UMN will I be in disadvantage regarding the "name" when applying to grad schools?

I am good at math and owned the first prize of Chinese national math competiton.But because of my very bad SAT score(English is always not my strongpoint) and financial ability I could not apply for better universities or colleges.
So I place my hopes on the grad application. I want to go to top schools such as MIT,Harvard in the future.

Thanks!
 
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These threads have been really common lately, so I will just repeat myself. Both of the schools you are talking about are very good. Go with the cheaper one and save your family the money. Using your time wisely as an undergrad (getting involved in research, perhaps taking grad courses, etc.) is the best way to ensure you will get into a great grad school.
 
galoisj said:
I prefer UMN but I am always afraid of the grad application four years later. UWisc's prestige and ranking are better so if I go to UMN will I be in disadvantage regarding the "name" when applying to grad schools?

Getting into grad school is much more about you than about the undergrad school you went to, assuming of course that you got a decent undergraduate education.
 
Do you have time to visit the two schools? Their campuses are VERY different.

I would say go to Wisconsin, all things being the same as Madison is a great town! But money is an issue, I don't think your education will suffer at UMN in the least.
 
I am currently an undergrad at Madison in and Engineering program. As has already been pointed out, Madison is a great town. The math department here is good once you get out of the more common classes. The professor are typically quite helpful when contacted outside of class. Madison offers many opportunities to get involved with research, even at the undergraduate level (Junior and Senior years) which will help with your application to grad schools.

I'm obviously biased towards Madison and have never visited UMN, but I believe you'll have a better overall college experience by coming to Madison.
 

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