Variable pairs in uncertainty relation?

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The discussion revolves around exploring pairs of variables in Heisenberg's uncertainty principle beyond the commonly recognized position-momentum and time-energy pairs. Participants express interest in the relationship between electric field strength and magnetic field strength, as well as the implications for particle correlations over distance.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant is investigating the potential for electric field strength and magnetic field strength to form a pair in the context of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, suggesting this could relate to the decay of correlation between spin-correlated particles over distance.
  • Another participant mentions charge-phase as a conjugate pair, indicating a relationship to electric and magnetic fields, though not directly equivalent.
  • A participant challenges the classification of time and energy as a "real" pair, noting that time is not an observable in quantum mechanics.
  • There is a mention of the projections of angular momentum on different spatial axes not commuting, referencing the triple Stern-Gerlach experiment as a relevant example.
  • Questions arise regarding the specific phase being referred to in the context of charge-phase, with suggestions that it could relate to superconducting junctions or phase qubits.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of time-energy as a pair and the specifics of phase in relation to electric and magnetic fields. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the proposed variable pairs or their implications.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and implications of the proposed pairs, as well as the specific contexts in which phase is being discussed. The relationship between fluctuations in magnetic fields and particle correlations remains speculative.

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I have been trying to figure out other pairs of variables in Heisenberg's uncertainty relationship apart from the well known position-momentum and time-energy pairs.
I am particularly interested in electric fireld strength and magnetic field strenght.
The reason for my interest is that if I figure this out (or somebody tells me), then there would be a way to calculate how the correlation between two initially spin correlated particles decays as they move apart. You know, if there is a certain level of fluctuations in the magnetic field even in a perfect vaccuum, the famous spooky-action-at-adistance would at least have a distance limit.
 
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Charge-phase is a conjugate pair, not quite E and B but at least related quantities.

Btw, time and energy is not a "real" pair; time is not an observable in QM.
 
Nemus said:
I have been trying to figure out other pairs of variables in Heisenberg's uncertainty relationship apart from the well known position-momentum and time-energy pairs.
I am particularly interested in electric fireld strength and magnetic field strenght.
The reason for my interest is that if I figure this out (or somebody tells me), then there would be a way to calculate how the correlation between two initially spin correlated particles decays as they move apart. You know, if there is a certain level of fluctuations in the magnetic field even in a perfect vaccuum, the famous spooky-action-at-adistance would at least have a distance limit.

The projections of angular momentum on different spatial axes also do not commute. This is the basis of the triple Stern-Gerlach experiment.
 
Phase of what?

You are of course correct that the energy-time pair is different. Very useful though.
 
Nemus said:
Phase of what?

It depends. In most experiments one uses the phase of e.g. a superconducting junction (known as a Josephson junction) or a ring. Google "Phase qubit".
 

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