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The discussion revolves around the proof concerning the relationship between divisibility and the greatest common divisor (gcd) in the context of integers. Participants explore the implications of the conditions a|(b+c) and gcd(b,c)=1, particularly focusing on proving that gcd(a,b)=1 and gcd(a,c)=1. The discussion includes aspects of mathematical reasoning and proof structure.

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  • One participant presents a proof that if a|(b+c) and gcd(b,c)=1, then gcd(a,b)=1 and gcd(a,c)=1, detailing the steps involved.
  • Another participant agrees with the proof but notes that the statement "Since d|b, d|c and 1|b and 1|c, d must divide 1" requires careful interpretation, suggesting that it does not necessarily imply gcd(b,c)=1.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about how to conclude proofs of this nature, seeking guidance on proper conclusion techniques.
  • Another participant suggests a rephrasing of the conclusion to clarify the relationship between gcd and divisibility, indicating that this would lead to concluding d=1.
  • One participant admits to feeling confused by gcd-related proofs, indicating a personal struggle with the topic.
  • A later reply confirms the understanding of the conclusion, reiterating the importance of the relationship between gcd and divisibility in the proof.

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While there is some agreement on the correctness of the proof structure, participants express differing views on the interpretation of certain statements related to gcd. The discussion reflects uncertainty and varying levels of understanding regarding the conclusion of gcd proofs.

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Participants highlight the need for careful consideration of definitions and implications when discussing gcd, particularly in relation to the conditions given in the proof. There is an acknowledgment of potential ambiguity in the statements made about divisibility and gcd.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in number theory, particularly those studying properties of divisibility and gcd in mathematical proofs.

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If a|(b+c) and gcd(b,c)=1, then gcd(a,b)=1=gcd(a,c)

Suppose a|(b+c) and the gcd(a,b)=d.

al=b+c and d|a and d|b. This implies a=dr and b=ds.

drl=ds+c => drl-ds=c => d(rl-s)=c => d|c

Since d|b, d|c and 1|b and 1|c, d must divide 1. Therefore d=1.

By the same reasoning gcd(a,c)=1.

al=b+c and d|a and d|c. This imples a=dr and c=dt

drl=b+dt => drl-dt=b => d(rl-t)=b => d|b

since gcd(b,c)=1 1|b and 1|c and d|c d must divide 1

therefore d=1
 
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chaotixmonjuish said:
If a|(b+c) and gcd(b,c)=1, then gcd(a,b)=1=gcd(a,c)

Suppose a|(b+c) and the gcd(a,b)=d.

al=b+c and d|a and d|b. This implies a=dr and b=ds.

drl=ds+c => drl-ds=c => d(rl-s)=c => d|c

Since d|b, d|c and 1|b and 1|c, d must divide 1. Therefore d=1.

By the same reasoning gcd(a,c)=1.

al=b+c and d|a and d|c. This imples a=dr and c=dt

drl=b+dt => drl-dt=b => d(rl-t)=b => d|b

since gcd(b,c)=1 1|b and 1|c and d|c d must divide 1

therefore d=1
The proof is right. but note that there could be more than one integer dividing a particular number, so if 1 divides b and c it does not imply gcd(b,c) = 1. The way you have done the proof is very correct, but always note the statement
"Since d|b, d|c and 1|b and 1|c, d must divide 1."
 
I'm really not sure how to concluide proofs like this. How should I have concluded it?
 
you will just rewrite he statement "Since d|b, d|c and 1|b and 1|c, d must divide 1." as follows "Since gcd(b,c) = 1 and d|b, d|c, then gcd(b, c) = 1." then u can conclude that
d = 1. hence gcd(a,b)=1=gcd(a,c)
 
I don't know why, but any gcd type proof always throws me off.
 
Ok, so
The conclusion of my proof just for gcd(a,b) should say:

Since gcd(b,c)=1 and d|b and d|c, then the gcd(a,b)=1.
 
yes, you got it. gcd type proof is interesting
 

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