Vector algebra- centroid of tetrahedron

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The discussion focuses on deriving the position vector of the centroid of a tetrahedron given the position vectors of its vertices, labeled as a, b, c, and d. Participants explore different definitions and approaches to understanding the centroid, including geometric interpretations and weighted point methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to derive the centroid position vector without relying on the 3:1 ratio property, indicating familiarity with the result of (a+b+c+d)/4.
  • Another participant references a definition of the centroid from Wikipedia, stating that it is the arithmetic mean of all points in the shape, which supports the formula for the centroid of a tetrahedron.
  • A participant describes the centroid of a tetrahedron as the intersection of line segments connecting each vertex to the centroid of the opposite face, suggesting a geometric approach to understanding the centroid.
  • Another participant prefers to work from the concept of weighted points and presents a mathematical formulation for the barycenter, arguing that it leads to the centroid's definition through a series of logical steps involving medians and centroids of triangles.
  • The barycenter of a tetrahedron is presented as a point derived from the weighted average of its vertices, with a detailed breakdown of how this relates to the centroid's definition.

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Participants express differing views on the definitions and methods for deriving the centroid of a tetrahedron. There is no consensus on a single approach, as multiple interpretations and methods are discussed.

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The discussion includes various definitions of the centroid and methods for deriving it, which may depend on specific assumptions or interpretations of geometric properties. Some mathematical steps and assumptions are left unresolved.

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How to find out the position vector of the centroid of tetrahedron , the position vectors of whose vertices are a,b,c,d respectively.
I am familiar with the result, namely a+b+c+d/4 but want to know how to derive it without using the 3:1 ratio property.
Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.
 
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Which definition of centroid are you using? According to Wikipedia, "the centroid of a plane figure or two-dimensional shape is the arithmetic mean ("average") position of all the points in the shape", so the fact that the position vector of the centroid is $(a+b+c+d)/4$ holds by definition in that case.
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
Which definition of centroid are you using? According to Wikipedia, "the centroid of a plane figure or two-dimensional shape is the arithmetic mean ("average") position of all the points in the shape", so the fact that the position vector of the centroid is $(a+b+c+d)/4$ holds by definition in that case.

The centroid of a tetrahedron is the intersection of all line segments that connect each vertex to the centroid of the opposite face.
 
mathisfun said:
The centroid of a tetrahedron is the intersection of all line segments that connect each vertex to the centroid of the opposite face.
Not the easiest definition to work with, but OK. I assume then that the centroid of a triangle is the intersection of its medians. I prefer to work from weighted points and prove that the center of mass, or barycenter, is the intersection of medians.

A weighted point is an ordered pair $(A,x)$ where $A$ is a point and $x$ is a real number. The barycenter of a set $\{(A_1,x_1),\dots,(A_n,x_n)\}$ of weighted points is a point $A$ such that
\[
\overrightarrow{OA}=\frac{1}{S}\left(x_1\overrightarrow{OA}_1+\dots+x_n\overrightarrow{OA}_n\right)
\]
where $S=x_1+\dots+x_n$ and $O$ is any point. One can show that the resulting point $A$ does not depend on the choice of $O$. Another property is that the barycenter of two points lies on the line passing through these points.

According to this definition, the barycenter of $\{(A,1),(B,1),(C,1)\}$ is a point $M$ such that
\[
\overrightarrow{OM}=\frac{1}{3}\left(\overrightarrow{OA}+\overrightarrow{OB}+\overrightarrow{OC}\right).
\]
But the right-hand side equals
\[
\frac{1}{3}\left(\overrightarrow{OA}+2\frac{1}{2}\left(\overrightarrow{OB}+\overrightarrow{OC}\right)\right).
\]
Thus, $M$ is the barycenter of $(A,1)$ and $(A',2)$ where $A'$ is the barycenter of $(B,1)$ and $(C,1)$, i.e., the center of $BC$. Therefore, $M$ lies on the median $AA'$. Similarly, $A$ lies on the other two medians, so it is the centroid of $\triangle ABC$ according to your definition.

The barycenter of a tetrahedron $ABCD$ is a point $N$ such that
\[
\overrightarrow{ON}=\frac{1}{4}\left(\overrightarrow{OA}+\overrightarrow{OB}+\overrightarrow{OC}+\overrightarrow{OD}\right).
\]
But the right-hand side equals
\[
\frac{1}{4}\left(\overrightarrow{OA}+3\frac{1}{3}\left(\overrightarrow{OB}+\overrightarrow{OC}+\overrightarrow{OD}\right)\right)
\]
Thus, $N$ is the barycenter of $(A,1)$ and $(A',3)$ where $A'$ is the barycenter and the centroid of $(B,1)$, $(C,1)$ and $(D,1)$. Therefore, $N$ lies on $AA'$. Similarly, $A$ lies on the other three segments connecting vertices to the centroids of the opposite faces, so it is the centroid of the tetrahedron $ABCD$ according to your definition.
 

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