Vector Divergence: Are the Expressions True?

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The forum discussion centers on the divergence of current density expressions in electromagnetic theory (EMT). The user queries the validity of two divergence expressions, specifically $$\nabla' \cdot \vec{J}$$ and $$\nabla \cdot \vec{J}$$, and their formulations involving derivatives of the current density $$J^m$$. The consensus is that the correct expressions should be written as $$\nabla' \cdot \vec{J} = \sum_{m=1}^3 \frac{\partial J^m(\vec{r},\vec{r'})}{\partial x'^m}$$ and $$\nabla \cdot \vec{J} = \sum_{m=1}^3 \frac{\partial J^m(\vec{r},\vec{r'})}{\partial x^m}$$, clarifying the relationship between position and time in the context of divergence.

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Homework Statement
##\nabla \cdot \vec{J}## and ##\nabla' \cdot \vec{J}$## ?
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I am doing EMT and I am trying to calculate the divergence of this current density given as,

$$\vec{J}(\vec{r}', t_r) = \vec{J}(\vec{r}', t - \frac{|\vec{r}-\vec{r}'|}{c})$$

for ##\vec{r} = (x,y,z)## and ##\vec{r'} = (x',y',z')##
Now We have two divergence operator,

$$\nabla' = \frac{\partial}{\partial x'}\vec{i} +\frac{\partial}{\partial y'}\vec{j} +\frac{\partial}{\partial z'}\vec{k}$$ and

$$\nabla = \frac{\partial}{\partial x}\vec{i} +\frac{\partial}{\partial y}\vec{j} +\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\vec{k}$$
Do I have to write something like,

$$\nabla' \cdot \vec{J} = \frac{\partial J^m(r')}{\partial x'^m} + \frac{\partial J^m(t_r)}{\partial x'^m}$$

$$\nabla \cdot \vec{J} = \frac{\partial J^m(r')}{\partial x^m} + \frac{\partial J^m(t_r)}{\partial x^m} = \frac{\partial J^m(t_r)}{\partial x^m}$$

Are these expressions true ?
 
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Everything seems fine to me
 
Arman777 said:
Homework Statement:: ##\nabla \cdot \vec{J}## and ##\nabla' \cdot \vec{J}$## ?
Relevant Equations:: I am doing EMT and I am trying to calculate the divergence of this current density given as,

$$\vec{J}(\vec{r}', t_r) = \vec{J}(\vec{r}', t - \frac{|\vec{r}-\vec{r}'|}{c})$$

for ##\vec{r} = (x,y,z)## and ##\vec{r'} = (x',y',z')##
Now We have two divergence operator,

$$\nabla' = \frac{\partial}{\partial x'}\vec{i} +\frac{\partial}{\partial y'}\vec{j} +\frac{\partial}{\partial z'}\vec{k}$$ and

$$\nabla = \frac{\partial}{\partial x}\vec{i} +\frac{\partial}{\partial y}\vec{j} +\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\vec{k}$$

Do I have to write something like,

$$\nabla' \cdot \vec{J} = \frac{\partial J^m(r')}{\partial x'^m} + \frac{\partial J^m(t_r)}{\partial x'^m}$$

$$\nabla \cdot \vec{J} = \frac{\partial J^m(r')}{\partial x^m} + \frac{\partial J^m(t_r)}{\partial x^m} = \frac{\partial J^m(t_r)}{\partial x^m}$$

Are these expressions true ?
I don't understand why you have a sum of derivatives of ##J^m##. There is only one set of ##J^m##, and each is a function of both position and time.
 
Well yes that's the kind of the problem I am not sure how to express those things
 
Arman777 said:
Homework Statement:: ##\nabla \cdot \vec{J}## and ##\nabla' \cdot \vec{J}$## ?
Relevant Equations:: I am doing EMT and I am trying to calculate the divergence of this current density given as,

$$\vec{J}(\vec{r}', t_r) = \vec{J}(\vec{r}', t - \frac{|\vec{r}-\vec{r}'|}{c})$$

for ##\vec{r} = (x,y,z)## and ##\vec{r'} = (x',y',z')##
Now We have two divergence operator,

$$\nabla' = \frac{\partial}{\partial x'}\vec{i} +\frac{\partial}{\partial y'}\vec{j} +\frac{\partial}{\partial z'}\vec{k}$$ and

$$\nabla = \frac{\partial}{\partial x}\vec{i} +\frac{\partial}{\partial y}\vec{j} +\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\vec{k}$$

Do I have to write something like,

$$\nabla' \cdot \vec{J} = \frac{\partial J^m(r')}{\partial x'^m} + \frac{\partial J^m(t_r)}{\partial x'^m}$$

$$\nabla \cdot \vec{J} = \frac{\partial J^m(r')}{\partial x^m} + \frac{\partial J^m(t_r)}{\partial x^m} = \frac{\partial J^m(t_r)}{\partial x^m}$$

Are these expressions true ?
Ok, the correct expressions are

EDIT: This is a better way to write it
$$\nabla' \cdot \vec{J} = \sum_{m=1}^3 \frac{\partial J^m(\vec{r},\vec{r'})}{\partial x'^m}$$
and
$$\nabla \cdot \vec{J} = \sum_{m=1}^3 \frac{\partial J^m(\vec{r},\vec{r}')}{\partial x^m} $$
 
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