Vector equation of a spherical surface

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The discussion revolves around the vector equation of a spherical surface, specifically examining the equation $(\mathbf{x} - \mathbf{b})\cdot\mathbf{x} = 0$ and its implications for the center and radius of the sphere. Participants explore the mathematical derivation and the conditions under which the equation holds, focusing on the relationship between the position vector and the constant vector.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the equation $(\mathbf{x} - \mathbf{b})\cdot\mathbf{x} = 0$ represents a spherical surface centered at $\mathbf{x} = \frac{1}{2}\mathbf{b}$ with a radius of $\frac{1}{2}b$.
  • Another participant questions how to derive that $b_i = x_i$, suggesting that this is not necessary for the proof.
  • A participant emphasizes the need to find the distance from $\mathbf{x}$ to $\frac{1}{2}\mathbf{b}$ and to prove that this distance equals $\frac{1}{2}b$.
  • There is a mathematical expression provided: $(\mathbf{x} -\frac{1}{2}\mathbf{b})^2 = \mathbf{x}\cdot\mathbf{x} - \mathbf{x}\cdot\mathbf{b} + \frac{1}{4}\mathbf{b}\cdot\mathbf{b}$, with a request for further steps in the derivation.
  • A follow-up question asks what can be derived from the original equation $(\mathbf{x} - \mathbf{b})\cdot\mathbf{x} = 0$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the derivation steps or the necessity of certain conditions. Multiple viewpoints are presented regarding the interpretation and implications of the vector equation.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps in the derivation, and the discussion relies on specific definitions of the vectors involved. The relationship between $\mathbf{x}$ and $\mathbf{b}$ remains ambiguous, with differing opinions on the necessity of equating them.

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Let the position vector of an arbitrary point $P(x_1x_2x_3)$ be $\mathbf{x} =x_i\hat{\mathbf{e}}_i$, and let $\mathbf{b} = b_i\hat{\mathbf{e}}_i$ be a constant vector.
Show that $(\mathbf{x} - \mathbf{b})\cdot\mathbf{x} = 0$ is the vector equation of a spherical surface having its center at $\mathbf{x} = \frac{1}{2}\mathbf{b}$ with radius of $\frac{1}{2}b$.
\begin{alignat}{3}
(x_i\hat{\mathbf{e}}_i - b_i\hat{\mathbf{e}}_i)\cdot x_i\hat{\mathbf{e}}_i & = & x_i^2-b_ix_i
\end{alignat}
How am I supposed to obtain that $b_i = x_i$?
 
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dwsmith said:
Let the position vector of an arbitrary point $P(x_1x_2x_3)$ be $\mathbf{x} =x_i\hat{\mathbf{e}}_i$, and let $\mathbf{b} = b_i\hat{\mathbf{e}}_i$ be a constant vector.
Show that $(\mathbf{x} - \mathbf{b})\cdot\mathbf{x} = 0$ is the vector equation of a spherical surface having its center at $\mathbf{x} = \frac{1}{2}\mathbf{b}$ with radius of $\frac{1}{2}b$.
\begin{alignat}{3}
(x_i\hat{\mathbf{e}}_i - b_i\hat{\mathbf{e}}_i)\cdot x_i\hat{\mathbf{e}}_i & = & x_i^2-b_ix_i
\end{alignat}
How am I supposed to obtain that $b_i = x_i$?

You're not. That would mean $\mathbf b = \mathbf x$, but that is not what you need to prove.

You need to find the distance of $\mathbf x$ to $\frac 12 \mathbf b$ and proof that it is $\frac 12 b$.
That is, can you prove:
$(\mathbf x - \frac 12 \mathbf b)^2 \overset{?}{=} (\frac 12 b)^2$​
 
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ILikeSerena said:
You're not. That would mean $\mathbf b = \mathbf x$, but that is not what you need to prove.

You need to find the distance of $\mathbf x$ to $\frac 12 \mathbf b$ and proof that it is $\frac 12 b$.
That is, can you prove:
$(\mathbf x - \frac 12 \mathbf b)^2 \overset{?}{=} (\frac 12 b)^2$​
$(\mathbf{x} -\frac{1}{2}\mathbf{b})^2 = \mathbf{x}\cdot\mathbf{x} - \mathbf{x}\cdot\mathbf{b} + \frac{1}{4}\mathbf{b}\cdot\mathbf{b}$
How do I go from here?
 
dwsmith said:
$(\mathbf{x} -\frac{1}{2}\mathbf{b})^2 = \mathbf{x}\cdot\mathbf{x} - \mathbf{x}\cdot\mathbf{b} + \frac{1}{4}\mathbf{b}\cdot\mathbf{b}$
How do I go from here?

What do you get from $(\mathbf{x} - \mathbf{b})\cdot\mathbf{x} = 0$?
 

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