Vector Space vs Field F Vector Space

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The discussion centers on the distinction between a "vector space" and a "vector space over field F" within the context of linear algebra. Participants explore definitions, axioms, and the relationship between vector spaces and fields, including the implications of these definitions.

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  • Some participants assert that every vector space is inherently a vector space over a field, suggesting no difference exists between the two concepts.
  • Others emphasize that a vector space over field F satisfies the same axioms as a general vector space, implying that the definitions are consistent.
  • A participant proposes a different definition of a vector space, focusing on the functions involved in addition and scalar multiplication, and notes the importance of context in defining a vector space.
  • One participant introduces the idea of vector spaces as special cases of modules over rings, highlighting the role of fields and multiplicative inverses in this relationship.

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While some participants agree that there is no difference between a vector space and a vector space over a field, others provide alternative perspectives that suggest a more nuanced understanding. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these definitions.

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Participants express varying definitions and interpretations of vector spaces and fields, which may depend on specific mathematical contexts or assumptions. The discussion includes references to axioms and properties that are not fully detailed, leaving some aspects open to interpretation.

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Hello, I'm studying linear algebra and wanted to know what is the difference between a "vector space" and a "vector space over field F".
I know that a vector space over field F satisfies the 8 axioms, but does a vector space satisfy this also?
 
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A field could be a set of real, or complex numbers, or a set of rational numbers whose addition and multiplication is well defined.
 
what said:
A field could be a set of real, or complex numbers, or a set of rational numbers whose addition and multiplication is well defined.

This doesn't answer my question, I want to know the difference between a vector space and a vector space over field F.
 
There's no difference. Every vector space is a vector space over a field. The field is usually the real numbers or the complex numbers, but it could be any field. A vector space over [itex]\mathbb R[/itex] is often called a "real vector space", and a vector space over [itex]\mathbb C[/itex] is often called a "complex vector space".
 
Fredrik said:
There's no difference. Every vector space is a vector space over a field. The field is usually the real numbers or the complex numbers, but it could be any field. A vector space over [itex]\mathbb R[/itex] is often called a "real vector space", and a vector space over [itex]\mathbb C[/itex] is often called a "complex vector space".

Right this would make sense. So that means the 8 axioms for a "Vector Space over a field F" also hold for a "Vector space".

Because i know that the basic defin of a vector space is that:
1) It contains a non empty set V whose elements are vectors
2) A field F whose elements are scalars
3) A binary operation + on V Under which V is closed
4) A multiplication . of a vector by a scalar.
So on top of this the 8 axioms (That hold for a vector space over a field F) also hold for a vector space (i can't be asked to write all axioms)?
 
Yes, you got it right. I prefer to state the definition a bit differently though. In my definition, V is a set, [itex]\mathbb F[/itex] is a field, and [itex]A:V\times V\rightarrow V[/itex] and [itex]S:\mathbb F\times V\rightarrow V[/itex] are functions (called "addition" and "scalar multiplication" respectively). We use the notation [itex]A(x,y)=x+y[/itex] and [itex]S(k,x)=kx[/itex].

Definition: A 4-tuple [itex](V,\mathbb F,A,S)[/itex] is said to be a vector space over the field [itex]\mathbb F[/itex] if

(i) [itex](x+y)+z=x+(y+z)[/itex] for all [itex]x,y,z\in V[/itex]

...and so on. (You seem to know the rest).

Note that V is just a set. It's convenient to call V a vector space, but you should be aware that this is actually a bit sloppy. It's certainly OK to do it when it's clear from the context what field [itex]\mathbb F[/itex] and what addition and scalar multiplication functions we have in mind. For example, it's common to refer to "the vector space [itex]\mathbb R^2[/itex] " because everyone is familiar with the standard vector space structure on that set.
 
I find it useful to think of vector spaces as special cases of modules over rings.
A module is just an abelian group together with a distributive multiplication by elements of a ring. If the ring is a field then the module is a vector space.

The distinguishing feature of a field is that is has multiplicative inverses.

Much of the theory of vector spaces actually comes from considering modules where the ring is a principal ideal domain. This is because the ring of polynomials over a field is a principal ideal domain.
 
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right thanks fredrik
 

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