Velocity and Mass to Acceleration

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between velocity, mass, and acceleration, particularly in the context of graphing equations that involve relativistic effects. Participants explore how to represent these variables effectively within the constraints of graphing software, while also addressing the complexities introduced by relativistic mass.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Zales, seeks to graph an equation involving velocity and velocity-dependent mass, specifically using the equation (m sub 0)/sqrt(1-((v/c)^2), and is unsure how to express it in terms of acceleration.
  • Another participant suggests that choosing velocity (v) as the variable and normalizing it by setting c=1 could clarify the graphing process, indicating that v could be represented as a percentage of the speed of light.
  • Zales clarifies that they are trying to graph F=Ma, where F is the force, M is the mass, and a is the acceleration, and provides their current equation for further context.
  • A different participant advises that relativistic mass increases as velocity approaches the speed of light, suggesting that the equation should incorporate the Lorentz factor (γ) and provides a modified equation for one-dimensional motion.
  • This participant also notes that graphing can still be done by treating velocity as a parameter, allowing for comparisons at different values of v.
  • Zales inquires about how to input subscripts and superscripts in the forum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to approach the graphing of the equations, particularly regarding the treatment of relativistic mass and the choice of variables. There is no consensus on a single method or solution, and the discussion remains open-ended.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexities of relativistic physics and the challenges of graphing equations that involve changing variables and parameters. There are unresolved aspects regarding the implications of relativistic effects in multi-dimensional contexts.

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I am graphing an equation, but my software will not graph more than two variables. I have velocity (v) and velocity dependent mass (m sub 0), but I need to write it in terms of x, which I have as acceleration. This problem stems from me plugging in the following equation for the relationship between speed and mass: (m sub 0)/sqrt(1-((v/c)^2). If it is even possible to do it another way, please let me know. Or if it's not possible and I need better software, please let me know is that is the case also.

Thank you,
Zales

PS. This post is very poorly worded. Here is a link to a much better formatted equation, and if you wish for me to clarify anything, please let me know.
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You'll have a much more clear picture of what's happening if you choose your variable to be v, and set c=3x108 and m0 to be a parameter that you change to whatever you like. Better yet would be to choose your variable to be v/c which means to set c=1 and then v will be represented by a percentage of c. So at x=0.5 on the graph, that means that v will be half of the speed of light.
 
Sorry, maybe I should have added more information. What I'm trying to graph is F=Ma, with 'F' as y, 'M' as the slope, and 'a' as 'x'. In slope intercept form, I had F=Ma+0. The equation is equivalent to 'M', so the equation was plugged in for 'M'. I have 'c' as 2.998x10^8. My full equation, so far, is y=(m/(sqrt(1-(v/(2.998*10^8))^2)))x+0.

PS. How did you input your subscripts and superscripts?
 
You may want to head over to the physics section of the forum as well to get a better idea of what your equations should actually be, because relativistic mass increases in a stationary reference frame as v approaches c, so it's not quite as simple as that. In 1 dimension (to keep things simple for the moment) your equation would be

[tex]F=\gamma ^3m_0a[/tex]

where a is simply the change in velocity over time, [itex]a=\frac{dv}{dt}[/itex] and [itex]\gamma[/itex] is the lorentz factor [itex]\gamma=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}[/itex]

It gets more complicated in 3 dimensions though. You'll have situations where the particle won't accelerate in the direction you applied the force, which is very counter-intuitive with respect to Newtonian mechanics.

I'm sure you'll get more informed answers in the physics section though.

Anyway, back to your question. You can still graph it on a 2d plane, but you'll have v as a parameter that you can adjust accordingly. What I mean by this is if you think about graphing y=x and y=2x on the same plane to compare their differences, you can do the same except you'll choose v=0.1, v=0.5, v=0.9 etc. and compare those.

The superscripts are the x2 button that's above the message you're sending. Or you can learn all about LaTeX to get real fancy :wink:
 

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