Verify the Rodrigues formula of the Legendre polynomials

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The discussion revolves around verifying the Rodrigues formula for Legendre polynomials, specifically examining the relationship between certain differential expressions and their simplifications. Participants explore mathematical techniques and differentiation rules relevant to this verification process.

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  • One participant presents a series of substitutions and manipulations of differential expressions to explore how they relate to the Rodrigues formula.
  • Another participant suggests using the Leibniz rule for differentiation of products to simplify the expressions, indicating a potential method for solving the problem.
  • A third participant reiterates the suggestion of using the Leibniz rule and provides specific derivatives of the function \(y = (w^2 - 1)^l\) to further the discussion.
  • A later reply claims to have solved the problem and references a Wikipedia page for the method, but does not provide details on the solution itself.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the verification of the Rodrigues formula, as some express uncertainty about the cancellation of terms, while one participant claims to have found a solution without detailing it.

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There are unresolved mathematical steps in the differentiation process, and the discussion relies on specific assumptions about the functions involved. The clarity of how terms cancel to yield zero remains a point of contention.

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How does (6.79) satisfy (6.70)?

After substitution, I get

$$(1-w^2)\frac{d^{l+2}}{dw^{l+2}}(w^2-1)^l-2w\frac{d^{l+1}}{dw^{l+1}}(w^2-1)^l+l(l+1)\frac{d^{l}}{dw^{l}}(w^2-1)^l$$

Using product rule in reverse on the first two terms,
$$(1-w^2)\frac{d^{l+1}}{dw^{l+1}}(w^2-1)^l+l(l+1)\frac{d^{l}}{dw^{l}}(w^2-1)^l$$
$$(1-w^2)\frac{d^{l+1}}{dw^{l+1}}(w^2-1)^l-2w\frac{d^{l}}{dw^{l}}(w^2-1)^l+2w\frac{d^{l}}{dw^{l}}(w^2-1)^l+l(l+1)\frac{d^{l}}{dw^{l}}(w^2-1)^l$$

Using product rule in reverse on the first two terms,
$$(1-w^2)\frac{d^{l}}{dw^{l}}(w^2-1)^l+2w\frac{d^{l}}{dw^{l}}(w^2-1)^l+l(l+1)\frac{d^{l}}{dw^{l}}(w^2-1)^l$$
$$\big[(1+2w-w^2)+l(l+1)\big]\frac{d^l}{dw^l}(w^2-1)^l$$

How do we prove it is equal to 0?

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I think it can be easily solved with the help of Leibniz rule for the differentiation of a product of two functions
$$
\frac{d^n}{dx^n}(f(x)g(x)) = \sum_{k=0}^n C(n,k) \frac{d^{n-k}f}{dx^{n-k}} \frac{d^k g}{dx^n}
$$
In the terms which contain differentiation ##l+1## or ##l+2## times, differentiate the function 1 or 2 times first.
 
blue_leaf77 said:
I think it can be easily solved with the help of Leibniz rule for the differentiation of a product of two functions
$$
\frac{d^n}{dx^n}(f(x)g(x)) = \sum_{k=0}^n C(n,k) \frac{d^{n-k}f}{dx^{n-k}} \frac{d^k g}{dx^n}
$$
In the terms which contain differentiation ##l+1## or ##l+2## times, differentiate the function 1 or 2 times first.

I could't solve it.

Let ##y=(w^2-1)^l##.
##\frac{dy}{dw}=2l(w^2-1)^{l-1}w##
##\frac{d^2y}{dw^2}=2l(w^2-1)^{l-2}\big[2(l-1)w+w^2-1\big]##

##\begin{align}\frac{d^{l+1}y}{dw^{l+1}}&=\frac{d^{l}}{dw^{l}}2l(w^2-1)^{l-1}w\\&=2l\Big[w\frac{d^l}{dw^l}(w^2-1)^{l-1}+l\frac{d^{l-1}}{dw^{l-1}}(w^2-1)^{l-1}\Big]\end{align}##

##\begin{align}\frac{d^{l+2}y}{dw^{l+2}}&=\frac{d^{l}}{dw^{l}}2l(w^2-1)^{l-2}\big[2(l-1)w+w^2-1\big]\\&=4l(l-1)\Big[w\frac{d^l}{dw^l}(w^2-1)^{l-2}+l\frac{d^{l-1}}{dw^{l-1}}(w^2-1)^{l-2}\Big]+2l\Big[\frac{d^l}{dw^l}(w^2-1)^{l-1}\Big]\end{align}##

After substituting (2) and (4) into the LHS of (6.70), it is not clear how the terms cancel out to give 0.
 
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