Vertical Displacement of Particle on Spring: k,m and x in Equations

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The discussion revolves around the vertical displacement of a particle on a spring, focusing on the equations of motion and energy conservation principles. Participants explore the implications of gravitational potential energy in the context of spring dynamics.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants examine the role of gravitational potential energy in the energy equations and question why it is not included in the potential and kinetic energy terms. There is discussion about equilibrium conditions and how they affect the energy balance.

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Some participants have provided insights into how gravitational potential energy cancels out under equilibrium conditions. Others are exploring the significance of the constant term related to the initial displacement of the spring and its implications in the energy equation.

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There is mention of specific values for mass and spring constant, as well as the concept of initial displacement in the context of the problem. The discussion reflects on assumptions related to equilibrium and energy conservation without resolving these aspects.

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Need to show that the vertical displacement of a particle on a spring is

[tex]\ddot{x} + 100x = 0[/tex]

[tex]\frac{1}{2}kx^2 + \frac{1}{2}m\dot{x}^2=C[/tex]

[tex]k\dot{x}x + m\dot{x}\ddot{x}=0[/tex]


Then since m=0.4, k=40.

[tex]\ddot{x}+100x=0[/tex]

what has happened to gravitational potential energy? why isn't it included in the potential and kinetic energy?
 
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Well you see if you include it, it will cancel out due to equilibrium conditions

[tex]\frac{1}{2}k(x+\delta)^2 -mgx + \frac{1}{2}m\dot{x}^2 = C[/tex]


At equilibrium kδ=mg or kδ-mg = 0
 
rock.freak667 said:
Well you see if you include it, it will cancel out due to equilibrium conditions

[tex]\frac{1}{2}k(x+\delta)^2 -mgx + \frac{1}{2}m\dot{x}^2 = C[/tex]


At equilibrium kδ=mg or kδ-mg = 0


ah i see how it vanishes now. but does
[tex]\frac{1}{2}k\delta ^2[/tex]
mean anything? does it disappear?


it does because its a constant right?
 
Gregg said:
ah i see how it vanishes now. but does
[tex]\frac{1}{2}k\delta ^2[/tex]
mean anything? does it disappear?


it does because its a constant right?

Remember that when you have a spring and then you suspend a mass from it, there will be an initial displacement. δ is this displacement such that when you displace the mass a distance 'x', the spring extends by 'δ+x'

Also it disappears after you differentiate the energy equation.
 

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