Vertically driven mass against spring

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The problem involves a 1 kg mass being driven vertically upwards against a spring with a spring rate of 400 N/m, reaching a height of 0.180 m. The original poster is exploring the input energy under ideal conditions and is questioning the validity of the formula E=mgS+kS² compared to the separate calculations for gravitational and spring energy.

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  • Participants are discussing the derivation of the energy formula and questioning why the sum of gravitational energy and spring energy does not match the provided formula. There is also a consideration of the effect of preload on the spring.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing derivations and questioning assumptions about acceleration during spring compression. Some participants have offered insights into the average acceleration and its implications for energy calculations, leading to a better understanding of the problem.

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There is a mention of ideal conditions and potential typos in the provided formula. Participants are also considering the implications of varying acceleration during the spring's compression.

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Im not sure which is the correct theory to use for this problem.
A mass 1kg is driven vertically upwards against a spring. The spring has no initial compression and a spring rate of 400N/m. The mass will reach a height of 0.180m.
What is the input energy if ideal conditions are assumed here.
I have been given the formula E=mgS+kS²,
but do not understand why simply adding :
E(gravity)=mgS and E(spring)=½kS² do not give me the same value.
Further to this, what would be the effect of adding preload to the spring?
 
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rob78 said:
I have been given the formula E=mgS+kS²,
Looks like a typo to me.
but do not understand why simply adding :
E(gravity)=mgS and E(spring)=½kS² do not give me the same value.
I suspect that's what they meant to do.
 
Thanks,
The derivation for E=mgS+kS² went like this:
V²=U²+2aS, V=0
therefore,
U²=-2aS, where a=g(9.81)
KE=½mU²
Substituting gives:
KE=½m*(2gS) = mgS

adding in the spring, Fspring=kS
the deceleration will now be (g+[kS/m])
which will give:
KE=[g+(kS/m)]*mS = gms+kS²

working this through, I can't see any errors but maybe I am missing something?
 
rob78 said:
The derivation for E=mgS+kS² went like this:
V²=U²+2aS, V=0
therefore,
U²=-2aS, where a=g(9.81)
KE=½mU²
Substituting gives:
KE=½m*(2gS) = mgS
Here only gravity acts. The acceleration is constant.

adding in the spring, Fspring=kS
the deceleration will now be (g+[kS/m])
which will give:
KE=[g+(kS/m)]*mS = gms+kS²
The error here is that the acceleration is no longer constant. Hint: What's the average acceleration as the spring compresses from x = 0 to x = S?
 
OK,
The average acceleration will be ½kS, meaning that this now gives the work done to compress the spring from rest for the second half, and gravitational energy for the first half.
Excellent, that's what I had expected but had missed the point of it being average. This now makes sense, MANY THANKS.
 

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