Victoria's question at Yahoo Answers regarding a separable first order ODE

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The discussion revolves around solving a separable first-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) of the form dy/dt = k(y)(b - y), where k and b are constants. Participants explore the method of separation of variables and the implications of the solution, including the existence of a trivial solution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the method of separating variables and provides a detailed solution for the ODE, arriving at y(t) = b/(1 - Ce^(-bkt)), where C is a constant.
  • Another participant points out the existence of the trivial solution y = 0, which is not captured by the general solution derived from the separation of variables.
  • Further discussion highlights that the trivial solution can arise in ODEs of the form dy/dx = f(y) when f(0) = 0, indicating a potential oversight in the initial solution process.
  • A participant references an example of an ODE where the initial condition y(0) = 0 leads to multiple solutions, suggesting complexities in the solution space of such equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants acknowledge the existence of the trivial solution, but there is no consensus on how to best address it within the context of the general solution provided. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of initial conditions on the uniqueness of solutions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the mathematical nuances related to the trivial solution and its implications for the general solution. There are also references to specific cases that illustrate potential complexities in the solution space.

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Here is the question:

General solution of dy/dt=k((y)(b-y))?

B is a constant (in this case, initial temperature)
K is a constant of proportionality
I know you have to use separable variables, but i oeep
Getting stuck. Thanks for the help!

Here is a link to the question:

General solution of dy/dt=k((y)(b-y))? - Yahoo! Answers

I have posted a link there to this topic so the OP can find my response.
 
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Hello Victoria,

We are given to solve:

$$\frac{dy}{dt}=ky(b-y)$$ where $k$ and $b$ are constants.

First, let's separate the variables:

$$\frac{1}{y(b-y)}\,dy=k\,dt$$

Using partial fraction decomposition on the left, and integrating, we obtain:

$$\frac{1}{b}\int\left(\frac{1}{y}-\frac{1}{y-b} \right)\,dy=k\int\,dt$$

$$\ln\left|\frac{y}{y-b} \right|=bkt+C$$

Converting from logarithmic to exponential form, we find:

$$\frac{y}{y-b}=Ce^{bkt}$$

Solving for $y$, we get:

$$y(t)=\frac{b}{1-Ce^{-bkt}}$$ where $$0<C$$.

To Victoria and any other guests viewing this topic, I invite and encourage you to post of differential equations problems in our http://www.mathhelpboards.com/f17/ forum.

Best Regards,

Mark.
 
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For completeness sake it should be specified that it exists also the solution y=0 that can't be obtained fon any value of the constant C. In general that happens when an ODE has the form $\displaystyle \frac{d y}{d x} = f(y)$ where is $\displaystyle f(0)=0$ ... Kind regards $\chi$ $\sigma$
 
Good catch, chisigma!

I failed to mention that during the process of separation of variables, we in fact did lose the trivial solution $$y \equiv 0$$.
 
A good example of the 'traps' into which one can bump with this type of ODE is given in... http://www.mathhelpboards.com/f17/interesting-ordinary-differential-equation-3684/#post16751

... where some cases in which the initial condition $y(0)=0$ leads to multiple solutions are reported...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 

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