Virgo joins the measurement of gravitational waves

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the simultaneous operation of the Virgo and LIGO gravitational wave detectors, focusing on the implications for detecting gravitational waves, triangulating sources, and the expected improvements in sensitivity. Participants explore the potential for new detections and the impact of planned upgrades on future observations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the Virgo detector, while less sensitive than LIGO, represents a significant improvement as an independent experiment, which could enhance the credibility of gravitational wave discoveries.
  • There is a suggestion that simultaneous detections across all three detectors could improve source localization and allow for better searches for electromagnetic counterparts.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential impact of seismic activity in Italy on the calibration of the Virgo detector.
  • Participants express hope for a new detection within the month, while acknowledging that if it does not occur, the next opportunity may not arise until fall 2018.
  • Discussion includes the expected improvements in detection rates once the detectors reach their design sensitivity, with some arguing that the current observations are primarily for understanding signal characteristics rather than yielding significant scientific results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of optimism about potential new detections and concerns regarding the timeline for upgrades and their effectiveness. There is no consensus on the likelihood of a detection this month or the impact of the upgrades.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the dependence on the detectors' sensitivity and the challenges posed by environmental factors, such as tremors, which may affect calibration and performance.

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This discussion may be of interest to those following advancements in gravitational wave astronomy, researchers involved in detector technology, and individuals curious about the implications of multi-detector observations.

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Finally... this month, Virgo and LIGO look for gravitational waves together (they started yesterday). The Virgo detector is a bit less sensitive than the LIGO detectors at the moment, but it is still a big improvement:
  • It is an independent experiment, on a different continent run by different people. A simultaneous detection in all three detectors should remove any remaining doubt on the previous discoveries*.
  • Triangulation of the source needs three detectors. The position estimates will be much more accurate, so it gets easier to look for corresponding signals in the electromagnetic spectrum.
  • The third detector can also give polarization information, that helps constraining more parameters of the source.

They will run together for just this month. An event this month is certainly possible, but not guaranteed. Let's hope for the best. Afterwards all three detectors will work to improve their sensitivity for the next observation run in fall 2018.

Article at sciencenews.org*personal remark: I'm sure some Danish people will still be surprised that the templates never fit exactly, and write lengthy papers about this.
 
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I wonder if the many tremors in Italy wouldn't cause plenty of re-calibration work. I really wondered about the location.
 
So, if we're lucky we get a new detection this month, or else we have to wait until fall 2018...
Those planned upgrades better be worth the year long pause.
 
The design sensitivity is about twice as good as the current one, which means 8 times the detection rate. Running for 8 years now would produce a similar science output as every year will do once they reach the design parameters. What they currently do is more about getting some idea how signals look like and finding some events for the theorists, the main results will be gained once they reach the design sensitivity (planned for 2019, after two rounds of upgrades compared to now).
 
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