LIGO+Virgo saw something unknown

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The discussion centers around a recent detection by LIGO and Virgo of a short burst signal, speculated to be related to black holes or other astrophysical phenomena. Participants explore various hypotheses regarding the nature of the signal, its origins, and implications, while also addressing the data and its interpretation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the burst lasted 14 milliseconds with a central frequency of 65 Hz, suggesting it may not resemble a typical sine wave.
  • One participant questions whether a near-miss between two black holes could produce such a signal, contrasting it with the expected chirp from a merger.
  • Another suggests that an eccentric orbit of two black holes might explain the observation, emphasizing the need for them to be at a certain distance to avoid merging too quickly.
  • Speculative ideas include the possibility of "galactic warfare" or a humorous reference to fictional scenarios involving black holes.
  • Participants seek clarification on a map related to the detection, discussing the significance of different confidence contours and the area of detection.
  • One participant proposes a wild speculation about a three-body phenomenon causing the signal, introducing the term "wolf whistle phenomenon."
  • Another participant raises the possibility of the signal being related to stellar processes like core contraction or burning stages.
  • Concerns are expressed about speculation potentially leading the discussion away from scientific rigor, with a call for restraint until more information is available.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the contours on the detection map, with some regions being studied more due to better fit with observations.
  • Some participants express concerns about potential threats related to the detection, with humorous references to science fiction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of speculative ideas and technical inquiries, with no consensus reached on the nature or implications of the signal. Multiple competing views and hypotheses remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in the current understanding of the signal and the need for further data to clarify its origins and implications. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations and speculative ideas without resolution.

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LIGO and Virgo saw what looks like a very short gravitational event of unknown origin.
Not much is known so far. This is the notification from LIGO/Virgo and here is some raw data. Things I gathered from other sources (Twitter 1, Twitter 2, Reddit, ...):

It was a very short burst seen by all three detectors, with a false alarm rate of 1 per 25 years - a good chance this is something real. The burst was 14 milliseconds long and the fitted central frequency is 65 Hz, which means they had just about a single cycle in the signal. Most likely it won't look like a sine wave, it will probably look like a short peak, maybe two peaks in opposite directions (depending on how they define the duration), and then potentially some smaller oscillations afterwards. It was triggered by a system looking for intermediate mass black holes (heavier than stars but lighter than galactic black holes) but it is unclear if one of these was involved. It came roughly from the direction of Betelgeuse but the star is still there - telescopes are searching through the area to see if there is something new. Here is a map where people have looked.

Expect more updates in the following days.
 
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Would a near-miss by two Black Holes cause something like that, as opposed to the chirp from a merger?
 
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A very eccentric orbit of two black holes is among the options discussed. It can't be too close, otherwise they would lose too much energy and merge.
 
Galactic warfare... got to be! :oldbiggrin:
 
MathematicalPhysicist said:
Galactic warfare... got to be! :oldbiggrin:

Or Thanos playing black hole bowling again...
 
mfb said:
Can anyone quickly explain what I'm looking at? Which contours mean what? Where is the detection area? And how precisely is its location known anyway?
 
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The red ellipses are contours from LIGO/Virgo. The two larger ellipses are the 90% confidence region (by construction in 90% of the cases the source should be in them - this doesn't mean it has a 90% probability in this specific case however), the smaller one looks like the 68% region ("1 sigma"). You can check and uncheck the follow-up instruments to see what is what. As an example ZTF created the big blue rectangle areas.
 
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Could it be (speculating wildly without even seeing data) a three body phenomenon where a temporary obit occurred? One body guides hyperbolic mass into a short orbit only to slingshot it out again? But controlling body's gravitational broadcasts outside the bandwidth of the detection?

[edit: And if I'm right call it a "wolf whistle phenomenon!" if I may!]
 
Any chance it's related to a core contraction leading to neon or oxygen-burning (or whatever stage it's at) ?
 
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Let's not speculate. Until we get more information, more speculation post will get this thread moved out of the science forums and into science fiction.

The problem is this topic is super interesting... but control your urge to guess.

Thanks!
 
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mfb said:
The red ellipses are contours from LIGO/Virgo. The two larger ellipses are the 90% confidence region
I still don't get it. Why are there three of those contours, but only one is surveyed with follow-up instruments (other than SWIFT)?
And why is Betelgeuse being mentioned if neither encompasses that region?
 
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There are two separate regions in the sky that fit reasonably well to the observations. The left one in the image fits better, that's why it is studied more.
Bandersnatch said:
And why is Betelgeuse being mentioned if neither encompasses that region?
Because it's an interesting star people have heard about. It is not completely incompatible with the sky localization.
 
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This could be bad then there could be a threat following behind it?
 
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Timboo said:
This could be bad then there could be a threat following behind it?
Yes, almost certainly...

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/e/e4/Borg_cube_orbits_Earth,_remastered.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130424025909&path-prefix=en

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What is that? What could it possibly be
 
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The picture is a Borg warship, from Star Trek. The signal is likely a couple of black holes passing each other a few billion years ago.

Seriously: stop panicking. The only cosmology-related thing that's going to take you to an early grave is a heart attack from stressing about it.
 
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