Visit Holland: Share Your Thoughts!

[plus]

Prostitution, drugs and multiculturalism can be found anywhere.

Prostitution and drugs occur much more in Amsterdam than anywhere in the UK. This is because there is no social stigma against it, and no police agtion taken against it. The illegal drugs are sold ON THE STREETS to anyone who bothers to walk along the red light district. The dutch seem to have stronger opinions against the muslims than most other nations.

Prostitution is regulated, drugs are regulated (ie stict screening for illegal trafficing on problem flights), allochtonous populations are in the process of being dispersed over cities and villages instead of having concentrated areas in suburbs.

No. They are taking over the villages and small towns as well as the cities which they have already done.

I agree the socialist model is taken too far, which is being handled too: rescreening of people supposedly unfit to work, alleviating taxes on the succesful, etc.

Well done.

 

[plover]

I was in Amsterdam for a week about 12 or so years back. The day I spent riding a bike along the dikes north of the city is one of my favorite memories of Europe. It was fall and all the migratory ducks and such were coming through. There also was this moment riding along when I realized that the ocean on one side of me was higher than the land on the other, which was weird, but which is also, of course, why there's a dike there. (Doh!)

Amsterdam is the only city I've been to that had this feeling like three or four different centuries are crammed on top of one another pretty much everywhere you look. (Except the palace, which had an odd out-of-place look to it, as if it had dropped at random out of the sky.) The art museums were wonderful. I'd love to go back.

Anyway, I'm curious, what is the public agitiation with regards to the Islamic population in die Nederlands based on? Is it mostly fear? Is it a sense that Dutch tolerance and hospitality have been abused? Or is it more complex? (I know the main trigger was the murder of a film-maker there, I'm wondering what the sentiment behind the visible reactions is.)

The gay racist Pim Fontuyn...

Is his being gay supposed to make him worse than other racists or something?

 

[Andre]

That gay racist was elected the http://www.degrootstenederlander.nl/start.php



That's problably why I immegrated, with so much stupidity this country is lost

 

[Monique]

Anyway, I'm curious, what is the public agitiation with regards to the Islamic population in die Nederlands based on? Is it mostly fear? Is it a sense that Dutch tolerance and hospitality have been abused? Or is it more complex? (I know the main trigger was the murder of a film-maker there, I'm wondering what the sentiment behind the visible reactions is.)

There have been many problems with integration and conflicts with fundamentalism. I live in an area dominated by turkish, moroccan and indian immigrants and I never experienced any problems and love the multicultural environment. The problems are with a subgroup of people that are not motivated to behave, I believe due to the negative attitude towards them.

In my neighbourhood there is a group of 15 moroccan men and 10 turkish men, all fathers, that rotate through the streets and talk to young groups of people hanging on the streets, this communication and attention will keep them on the right track. I think this is a wonderful initiative.

I read something shocking in the newspaper yesterday: the guy who killed Theo v. Gogh is regarded as a hero by kids at a certain primary school. The kids have an aggresive attitude towards Ayaan Hirshi Ali (she is making a statement against fundamentalism) and the school leaders don't dare to visit the Anne Frank house, since students are making statements that the Jews had it coming and that more should have been killed. Same with the WTC towers, where the reaction was that is should have been done much earlier. The problems are taking place at two schools, they are researching now where the negative influence is coming from.