Visualizations without space-time or light

[ZapperZ]

Yes, the visualization of principles, laws and theories is accomplished with
diagrams, graphs where necessary, but the visualization of small entities
such as photons is not possible at present.

You have said nothing, when you cannot illustrate this with what I have requested. So show me (for the umpteenth time), how you visualize the Least Action principle.

If you continue to ignore this, then I would say that you have made a speculative, unverified statement that violates the PF guidelines.

One could for example put a story to a photon, saying "If you
were a photon, then you could travel for billions of years across
the Universe, but when 'you' stepped out at the other side then
no time at all would have passed for you". This picture arises
out of the fact that photons have no time dimension. It helps
us think about the Universe in a way that may supply answers,
but there is a problem because 'we' could not actually be a photon.

For example, a photon travels from the big bang to eternity in
no time at all (for it). A Universe that contained nothing but
photons can be said, in a sense, to have no size - a singularity.

You have confused "quantum physics" with "Special Relativity", the latter is an entirely classical physics. From this, it is clear that you have more of a problem with Special Relativity. You haven't even TOUCHED quantum mechanics at all in your complaint here, other than using the word "photon", which can easily be substituted with "light" and nothing would have changed.

There's a lot of misinformation being displayed here. I would not ask you to illustrate your understanding of either SR or QM. That would take forever to squeeze that out. All I want you to show is your visualization of the Least Action principle. And this will be the last time I will ask this.

Zz.

 

[Noone]

I was reading wawens comment's and thought's and it came very clear that those wernt really his...allthough my comment just there could be just speculation, i could point out what would make it correct-.-

ZapperZ-------(Least Action Principle), Could you post a link of a place where i can read up on that Principle

O and when he said (a universe that contained nothing but photons can be said, in a sense, to have no size- a singularity) LOL nothing is still somthing and that somthing would be it's size, so in a sense it has a size :D anywayZ please post a link for info on Least action principle, maybe i could do what he couldn't :/
Once so, I will most likly create it's concept of the Principle into a parable, once i understand in which way's it function's when used and applied within QM(and so much more :/)

 

[FlowerPUA]

In the 50's when LSD was legal, physicists used to take it as a tool to try and understand the concepts they had been researching…

I recall the story of one physicist who was working in electronics, he had been struggling with how to set up a circuit for a particular task, after taking LSD he was able to visualise the circuit and comprehend it all simultaneously… he went on to design the circuit and it worked.

Another biologist whilst on LSD found a way of inserting DNA into bacteria for creating things such as growth hormones etc. He won the Nobel Prize for his work.

Using such substances one is capable of comprehending things which a normal mind cannot.

 

[Schrodinger's Dog]

Using such substances you are also capable of peeling yourself because you think you are an orange. I think it's a bit hit and miss to be honest. And it's called a trip because the effects can last 24 hours or more. I'd stick to the usual methods personally.

 

[FlowerPUA]

Using such substances you are also capable of peeling yourself because you think you are an orange. I think it's a bit hit and miss to be honest. And it's called a trip because the effects can last 24 hours or more. I'd stick to the usual methods personally.

HAHAHAHA!

I’ve never heard of the orange peeling stuff myself... it's more like 12/18 hours, and if you do it with a watcher then nothing bad can really happen... I’ve only tried LSA (the legal lysergic acid, closely related to LSD) and it does make you see things much more clearly, although admittedly I only took a low dosage (i.e. i wasn’t peeling my skin or experiencing hallucinations)

 

[Schrodinger's Dog]

HAHAHAHA!

I’ve never heard of the orange peeling stuff myself... it's more like 12/18 hours, and if you do it with a watcher then nothing bad can really happen... I’ve only tried LSA (the legal lysergic acid, closely related to LSD) and it does make you see things much more clearly, although admittedly I only took a low dosage (i.e. i wasn’t peeling my skin or experiencing hallucinations)

Anecdotal story from a friend of a friend who knew someone. It can be quite a scary experience if you are not in a good environment. Which is why I've never really felt any inclination to try it. I'm mental enough as it is. That said if you ask any teenager in the UK if they could try any drug on the planet if they wanted, they'd say yes. Most know how to get hold of an illegal firearm too. That doesn't mean I'd advise anyone to go about getting hold of it.