Volume of a liquid in a container

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The problem involves a tall cylinder partially filled with mercury, where water is added on top of the mercury without mixing. The goal is to determine the volume of water needed to double the gauge pressure at the bottom of the cylinder.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the gauge pressure at the bottom of the cylinder with just mercury and with both mercury and water. There are attempts to calculate the gauge pressure using the relevant equations and to understand how to incorporate the two different liquid densities into the calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided calculations for gauge pressure and questioned the density values used. There is ongoing exploration of how to adjust the pressure calculations when adding water on top of mercury, with some guidance on considering the contributions of both liquids to the overall pressure.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of potential errors in density values and calculations, as well as uncertainty about how to approach the problem of combining pressures from two different fluids. Participants are working within the constraints of the problem setup and the need to express the final volume in cubic centimeters.

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Homework Statement



A tall cylinder with a cross-sectional area 12.0cm is partially filled with mercury; the surface of the mercury is 6.00cm above the bottom of the cylinder. Water is slowly poured in on top of the mercury, and the two fluids don't mix.

What volume of water must be added to double the gauge pressure at the bottom of the cylinder? (express volume in cubic centimeters)


Homework Equations



p = p0 + (rho)gh

pgauge = p - p0

(rho)Hg = .0136g/cm^3

(rho)water = 1g/cm^3

The Attempt at a Solution



V = 12cm^2(6cm) = 72cm^3 - incorrect

6cmHG = 6(.0136cm(water)) = 8.2cm^3 - incorrect

I'm not even sure how to approach this problem, any help is great appreciated.
 
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clope023,

They are wanting the gauge pressure to double at the bottom of the cylinder due to adding water on top of the mercury. So what is the gauge pressure at the bottom when there was just mercury, and what is the gauge pressure at the bottom when there is mercury plus some water in the cylinder?
 
alphysicist said:
clope023,

They are wanting the gauge pressure to double at the bottom of the cylinder due to adding water on top of the mercury. So what is the gauge pressure at the bottom when there was just mercury, and what is the gauge pressure at the bottom when there is mercury plus some water in the cylinder?

gauge pressure at that height when there's only mercury would be 8.7x10^3 Pa

gauge pressure at that height with the density of both water and mercury I got the same (measured in kg/m^3)
 
I think you have a wrong value for the density of mercury; it should be something like 13.6 g/cm^3 or 13600 kg/m^3.

From the first two of your relevant equations, you have pgauge=rho g h (assuming that the pressure p0 is atmospheric pressure at the top of the mercury). However, I don't think the numerical value you got for the gauge pressure is correct. What numbers did you use to get that result?

For the second gauge pressure, we have two liquids, with water resting on top of mercury. How does the formula need to be changed to incorporate two liquids with different densities?
 
alphysicist said:
I think you have a wrong value for the density of mercury; it should be something like 13.6 g/cm^3 or 13600 kg/m^3.

From the first two of your relevant equations, you have pgauge=rho g h (assuming that the pressure p0 is atmospheric pressure at the top of the mercury). However, I don't think the numerical value you got for the gauge pressure is correct. What numbers did you use to get that result?

For the second gauge pressure, we have two liquids, with water resting on top of mercury. How does the formula need to be changed to incorporate two liquids with different densities?

okay I'll take you through the steps I did

p = p0 + (rho)gh

p = 1.013x10^5 Pa + (13.6x10^3kg/m^3)(g)(.0600m)Pa

p = 1.093x10^5 Pa

gauge pressure = 1.093x10^5 - 1.013x10^5 = 8x10^3 Pa

for the other gauge with 2 liquids I'm not sure how to do it since I don't know how much water is being applied, the one where I received the same as my first equation I just added the densities of the 2 liquids together.
 
That gauge pressure looks right.

For the case with two liquids, we are trying to solve for the height of the water. Remember that in the equation everytime you go down a depth h in a liquid of density rho the pressure rises by (rho g h). If you go down through two different liquids you'll get two terms, etc.

You know the value of the gauge pressure for the second case (because it was twice the mercury-only value), so the only unknown will be the height of the water.

Then there's only one more step to find the volume.
 

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