Volume of a tetrahedron regular

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The discussion revolves around the volume of a tetrahedron, specifically focusing on expressing the volume in terms of various edge lengths and surface areas. Participants explore mathematical relationships and formulas related to both regular and irregular tetrahedrons, including attempts to derive volume expressions based on different parameters.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents formulas for the surface area S of a tetrahedron in terms of its edges and expresses the volume V in terms of the edge lengths x, y, and z as V(x,y,z) = (1/6)xyz.
  • Another participant mentions complex Heron-type formulas for computing the volume of a tetrahedron, suggesting that these formulas are similar to those for triangles but more complicated.
  • One participant expresses a desire to find a way to write the volume V of an irregular tetrahedron in terms of the areas A, B, C, and S, indicating that their initial question remains unanswered.
  • A participant claims to have discovered a formula for the volume in terms of the edges u, v, and w: V(u,v,w) = √{(1/288)(+u²+v²-w²)(+u²-v²+w²)(-u²+v²+w²)}.
  • Another participant states they have also found a formula for the volume in terms of the areas: V(A,B,C) = √{(2/9)ABC}.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to express the volume of a tetrahedron, with some proposing specific formulas while others indicate that their questions remain unanswered. There is no consensus on the best approach or formula for irregular tetrahedrons.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the complexity of deriving volume formulas for irregular tetrahedrons and the dependence on specific conditions, such as the mutual perpendicularity of edges.

Bruno Tolentino
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See the image that I uploaded...

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I want to write the surface S (bounded by edges u, v and w) in terms of x, y and z, u, v and w and A, B and C. And I got it!

See:
S(A,B,C) = \sqrt{A^2+B^2+C^2}
S(x,y,z) = \sqrt{\frac{1}{4}( (yz)^2 + (zx)^2 + (xy)^2 )}
S(u,v,w) = \sqrt{(+u+v+w)(-u+v+w)(+u-v+w)(+u+v-w)}

And the Volume V:
V(x,y,z) = \frac{1}{6} xyz
But, I don't know how to write V in terms of A, B, C neither u, v, w. Can you help me with this, please?
 
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Bruno Tolentino said:
See the image that I uploaded...

View attachment 84788

I want to write the surface S (bounded by edges u, v and w) in terms of x, y and z, u, v and w and A, B and C. And I got it!

See:
S(A,B,C) = \sqrt{A^2+B^2+C^2}
S(x,y,z) = \sqrt{\frac{1}{4}( (yz)^2 + (zx)^2 + (xy)^2 )}
S(u,v,w) = \sqrt{(+u+v+w)(-u+v+w)(+u-v+w)(+u+v-w)}

And the Volume V:
V(x,y,z) = \frac{1}{6} xyz
But, I don't know how to write V in terms of A, B, C neither u, v, w. Can you help me with this, please?
There are some complicated Heron-type formulas for computing the volume of a tetrahedron which are similar to those for computing the area of a triangle. However, these formulas are much more complex.

The paper at the following link shows the derivation of these formulas ad gives references for further study:

http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~wkahan/VtetLang.pdf

Tetrahedrons are discussed starting at p. 11, but the previous material provides a good refresher.
 
I thank you for this answer. Actually, this no answer my question, but I'll intend to ask this in another thread. I'll intend to ask this and more one thing, that's the following:

Given a tetrahedron irregular (any tetrahedron), how to write the volume V in terms of the areas A, B, C and S?

OBS: my first question in this thread still no be answered.
 
Bruno Tolentino said:
I thank you for this answer. Actually, this no answer my question, but I'll intend to ask this in another thread. I'll intend to ask this and more one thing, that's the following:

Given a tetrahedron irregular (any tetrahedron), how to write the volume V in terms of the areas A, B, C and S?

OBS: my first question in this thread still no be answered.

If the edges x, y, and z are mutually perpendicular, you can write expressions for the areas A, B, and C using those lengths.
 
SteamKing said:
If the edges x, y, and z are mutually perpendicular, you can write expressions for the areas A, B, and C using those lengths.

I don't understand you explanation...

I discovered how to write V in terms of u, v and w:

V(u,v,w) = \sqrt{\frac{1}{288} (+u^2+v^2-w^2) (+u^2-v^2+w^2) (-u^2+v^2+w^2) }
 
I discovered too: V(A,B,C) = \sqrt{\frac{2}{9} A B C}
 

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